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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2021, 07:43:42 AM »
Nothing you said is based on reality.
The CPC is a proletarian party, it's the most anti-nepotism party in the world (most political classes are nepotistic). How many people named Xi are in the 250 member central committee? 1

The philosophy is called democratic centralism. It's a nationalist, proletarian, progressive and revolutionary philosophy.


What I'm saying is the CCP has evolved from pure communistic ideology. It doesn't adhere to that communistic principle.  That's why it allowed for two economic systems.  It is good that they would work towards the development of the country.

I see it as a centralist government as a whole acts like a monarchy with absolute power.  Is there something above and beyond checking it's power?  Would it evolve into something else similar to a democracy?

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2021, 06:44:29 PM »

What I'm saying is the CCP has evolved from pure communistic ideology. It doesn't adhere to that communistic principle.  That's why it allowed for two economic systems.  It is good that they would work towards the development of the country.

I see it as a centralist government as a whole acts like a monarchy with absolute power.  Is there something above and beyond checking it's power?  Would it evolve into something else similar to a democracy?
It doesn't have any absolute power. Its only power is from making correct choices and forming cohesion in society. As Mao said, "the eyes of the people are bright as snow". You can trust Chinese people to know what's right and wrong in the end.

The current reforms are about strengthening the different levels of People's Congresses, to become active in shaping laws and enforcing discipline of officials. Any policy's future is always based on passing tests, the core principle is the people are masters of their country.

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2021, 06:06:57 PM »
It doesn't have any absolute power. Its only power is from making correct choices and forming cohesion in society. As Mao said, "the eyes of the people are bright as snow". You can trust Chinese people to know what's right and wrong in the end.

The current reforms are about strengthening the different levels of People's Congresses, to become active in shaping laws and enforcing discipline of officials. Any policy's future is always based on passing tests, the core principle is the people are masters of their country.


I'm not sure how the people's representative are selected.  But do those individuals represent the people's voices?  Let's say that the party decides to ban scooters in the streets because it makes people buy cars instead and make the city look more modern.  How would that decision benefit the people?  What if you just want to ride scooters for fun?

There are segments of the population that does not fit the party's decision.  Will those people on the fringes have to conform?

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2021, 12:00:26 PM »

I'm not sure how the people's representative are selected.  But do those individuals represent the people's voices?  Let's say that the party decides to ban scooters in the streets because it makes people buy cars instead and make the city look more modern.  How would that decision benefit the people?  What if you just want to ride scooters for fun?

There are segments of the population that does not fit the party's decision.  Will those people on the fringes have to conform?
In the US, what if someone just wants to drink alcohol in public? what if they just don't want to wear mask on a subway (#NYC police)? what if I just want to park my Harley on the steps of the capitol hill?
Let Chinese worry if their social demands are being met. If they worried about the US like you worried about China, they would worry that US official weren't being arrested for so many Covid deaths.

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2021, 04:33:48 PM »
In the US, what if someone just wants to drink alcohol in public? what if they just don't want to wear mask on a subway (#NYC police)? what if I just want to park my Harley on the steps of the capitol hill?
Let Chinese worry if their social demands are being met. If they worried about the US like you worried about China, they would worry that US official weren't being arrested for so many Covid deaths.


I'm not worrying about China.  China can follow it's course in whatever direction it wants to go as with any other country.  I'm only interested in discussion and upheaval so that problems can be solved.  It's a way to solve my own problems as well by learning from mistakes.  I pretty much don't understand the inner workings of the CCP.  But I do admire it's power because it strives to improve the people's lives, but at it's own discretion.

The US has a lot of problems that it couldn't satisfy everyone but their system of government let the people have a voice against those imposed policies, which is more of a people's government than something that is imposed upon them.  I always have problems with the US government.


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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2021, 01:41:01 AM »

I'm not worrying about China.  China can follow it's course in whatever direction it wants to go as with any other country.  I'm only interested in discussion and upheaval so that problems can be solved.  It's a way to solve my own problems as well by learning from mistakes.  I pretty much don't understand the inner workings of the CCP.  But I do admire it's power because it strives to improve the people's lives, but at it's own discretion.

The US has a lot of problems that it couldn't satisfy everyone but their system of government let the people have a voice against those imposed policies, which is more of a people's government than something that is imposed upon them.  I always have problems with the US government.
Chinese people have at least as much voice as the Americans, if you listen to them talk about issues, they request much more from the government.
what their system avoids is political confrontation and upheaval, so no, they don't have any ability to voice that you shouldn't get vaccines or shouldn't wear masks. it's just antisocial to do that in china. if you do it and get a big following, your account will be deleted and you will be invited to the police station, they will check you out see what your problem is, then you go home and the civil police will check on your mental health regularly.

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2021, 05:25:41 PM »
Chinese people have at least as much voice as the Americans, if you listen to them talk about issues, they request much more from the government.
what their system avoids is political confrontation and upheaval, so no, they don't have any ability to voice that you shouldn't get vaccines or shouldn't wear masks. it's just antisocial to do that in china. if you do it and get a big following, your account will be deleted and you will be invited to the police station, they will check you out see what your problem is, then you go home and the civil police will check on your mental health regularly.



I think Asians are OK with an authoritative government because of cultural values.  They obey their parents and respect the 'law' of orderliness, personal liberties are inconsequential.  I'm not sure if it's the economic or social status that holds them to their views, like you should always obey your elders because they know everything.  So personal liberties are not that important.

My belief is into law and order and grave consequences to bad behavior for the benefit of the whole, because with uniformity you can do great things and faster actions. The US of today couldn't manage anything of worthy because of too many conflicts and disagreements between different factions.  Just like how the border wall couldn't be completed because of fragmentation.  If it was China then it would be completed in a week, no questions asked. 

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2021, 03:11:11 PM »

I think Asians are OK with an authoritative government because of cultural values.  They obey their parents and respect the 'law' of orderliness, personal liberties are inconsequential.  I'm not sure if it's the economic or social status that holds them to their views, like you should always obey your elders because they know everything.  So personal liberties are not that important.

My belief is into law and order and grave consequences to bad behavior for the benefit of the whole, because with uniformity you can do great things and faster actions. The US of today couldn't manage anything of worthy because of too many conflicts and disagreements between different factions.  Just like how the border wall couldn't be completed because of fragmentation.  If it was China then it would be completed in a week, no questions asked.
They built thousands of kilometers of fences since the epidemic. Some of the border residents got mobilized to take turns standing guard, one every 200 meters. Right now the isolation for foreign entries is 28 days, with a covid swab test take every single day.
All simple things when people support and trust the government, but impossible otherwise.

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2021, 05:58:33 PM »
They built thousands of kilometers of fences since the epidemic. Some of the border residents got mobilized to take turns standing guard, one every 200 meters. Right now the isolation for foreign entries is 28 days, with a covid swab test take every single day.
All simple things when people support and trust the government, but impossible otherwise.


I think it would be a challenge for China to reunited with Taiwan.  China will have to take by force because there's no discussion of Taiwanese to reunite. It would mean an invasion by China.  If that's what's necessary I don't think the power transfer will be like that of Hong Kong.  It will be like when North VN overtook South VN with people getting reeducated and widespread fleeing.

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2021, 04:58:00 PM »

I think it would be a challenge for China to reunited with Taiwan.  China will have to take by force because there's no discussion of Taiwanese to reunite. It would mean an invasion by China.  If that's what's necessary I don't think the power transfer will be like that of Hong Kong.  It will be like when North VN overtook South VN with people getting reeducated and widespread fleeing.
I think there won't be much panic because it will be very short war, unlike the decades of war between north and south Vietnam. They still have a pro-unification KMT in Taiwan, and there isn't the heavy foreign influence of Taiwan, in contrary Taiwan is pretty integrated with mainland already.

China and US both want to prevent global economic collapse if war ends trade in east asia. China will force a unification but it will try to keep western countries on the edge of their seat instead of making them jump out of it. One possibility is just to bomb the PPP leadership out of existence.

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2021, 04:12:47 PM »
I think there won't be much panic because it will be very short war, unlike the decades of war between north and south Vietnam. They still have a pro-unification KMT in Taiwan, and there isn't the heavy foreign influence of Taiwan, in contrary Taiwan is pretty integrated with mainland already.

China and US both want to prevent global economic collapse if war ends trade in east asia. China will force a unification but it will try to keep western countries on the edge of their seat instead of making them jump out of it. One possibility is just to bomb the PPP leadership out of existence.



The fast and quick route would be war.  Could there be any diplomatic agreement?  I don't think Taiwan would want to reunited because of the economic disparity.  Could China guarantee Taiwan's economic and some political autonomy?  What would Taiwan's demands be? 

I would hope China not be like North VN and just strip the south bare and start society over from scratch.

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2021, 06:01:21 PM »

The fast and quick route would be war.  Could there be any diplomatic agreement?  I don't think Taiwan would want to reunited because of the economic disparity.  Could China guarantee Taiwan's economic and some political autonomy?  What would Taiwan's demands be? 

I would hope China not be like North VN and just strip the south bare and start society over from scratch.
It wouldn't change TW's economy, let's face it TW is richer than mainland and it's attractive to many people. South Vietnam if it remained capitalist would have been a threat to the north, the two sides are equal sized.

The PPP's demand is basically, you got to abandon socialism. I don't understand their brain actually some just think they're crazy. KMT wants re-unification but they don't want it in the form of ROC's final defeat by PRC. CPC would prefer one country-two systems, but it can work with KMT to preserve their position as much as possible, kind of like how Qing emperor abdicated.

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2021, 04:06:43 PM »
It wouldn't change TW's economy, let's face it TW is richer than mainland and it's attractive to many people. South Vietnam if it remained capitalist would have been a threat to the north, the two sides are equal sized.

The PPP's demand is basically, you got to abandon socialism. I don't understand their brain actually some just think they're crazy. KMT wants re-unification but they don't want it in the form of ROC's final defeat by PRC. CPC would prefer one country-two systems, but it can work with KMT to preserve their position as much as possible, kind of like how Qing emperor abdicated.


Taiwan actually claims China as their territory.  I don't know how they will manage with the unification diplomatically or militarily. 

Maybe a good solution is for VN to attack Taiwan or for Japan to retake Taiwan.  Then China will will have to defend it position and invade.

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Re: Chinese heavy brigade loaded on ferry
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2021, 06:30:09 PM »

Taiwan actually claims China as their territory.  I don't know how they will manage with the unification diplomatically or militarily. 

Maybe a good solution is for VN to attack Taiwan or for Japan to retake Taiwan.  Then China will will have to defend it position and invade.
we would love Japan to do it!
we passed a law the separatists will face criminal prosecution for their entire lifetime.

 
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