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Nguyen Dynasty Lords vs Tay Son Brothers
« on: August 22, 2021, 09:19:38 AM »

Nguyen Dynasty

    • Corrupt mandarins and governers exploiting the people
    • Relied on foreigners for help; french, siamese, chinese, khmer, various other ethnic minorities
    • Bloodline stopped being pure after the 4th emperor, the 5th emperor was adopted
    • Sea ban isolationist policy
    • Surrendered 100k troops to 1k french troops
    • Hired some savage chinese pirates for help against the french
    • Failed in colonizing cambodia, spent the whole budget building forts in irrelevant spots, withdrew all forces in cambodia despite winning all engagements against siam and khmer rebellions
    • Became tributary state to qing
    • Almost bankrupted the economy
    • Buddhists turned catholics sacked Gia Dinh and it took 3 years for the rebellion to be stopped

Tay Son

    • Appears out of nowhere, destroys Trinh, Nguyen AND the qingnks despite being outnumbered
    • For the people by the people, literally founded because the common man was treated like shwit and tired of the constant war, massacres all the ethnic chinese
    • Founded by three brothers who each controlled three parts - north, middle, south
    • Engaged in trade with Europeans and other foreigners for advanced weapons, supplies, etc...
    • Never surrendered, fought until the end til the last man. Nguyen lords were salty asf, destroyed everything Tay Son related
    • Organizations like white lotus and elite chinese pirates and mercenaries willfully joined
    • Had plans to reunify and stabilize the south and include outer and inner modern day cambodia aka Tran Tay Thanh. Also had plans to invade the qingnks and conquer Liangguang
    • Never gave in to qing demands, instead gave them a deal that also favored Tay Son
    • Don't need money, peasants didn't need paychecks and fought for the love and honor of their country
    • Only fell because Quang Trung became ill and died

If only he was alive longer

I pray to and worship Quang Trung everyday

Đánh cho để dài tóc,

Đánh cho để răng đen,

Đánh cho nó chích luân bất phản,

Đánh cho nó phiến giáp bất hoàn.

Đánh cho sử tri Nam quốc anh hùng chi hữu chủ!

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Re: Nguyen Dynasty Lords vs Tay Son Brothers
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2021, 09:24:02 AM »
I would have 100% joined the Tay Son


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Re: Nguyen Dynasty Lords vs Tay Son Brothers
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2021, 09:58:37 AM »
Quang Trung was a traditional no nonsense Vietnamese warrior King. He was a pure military genius. Okay?

Hmm hmm hmm on the other hand. Nguyen Anh was a diplomatic King.  He wasn't great in the battle field, failed many times. He was forced into hidden in Khmer and Chinese's Exile land. He befriend with Khmer, Chinese, Cham, Siamese, and French. He was a friendly and agreeable guy. Miraculously, he bounced back many time after losing to Tay Son. He always came back. He wasn't a bad King, under Nguyen Anh Vietnam territory from AI Nam Quang to Ca Mau was intact. Vietnam trade and export flourish. His successors heroically defended Vietnam, but failed. The Nguyen dynasty had many great King and leaders, Vua Ham Nhi, Ton That Thuyet,  Phan Đình Phùng, Trương Công Định etc..who defended Vietnam till the end.

It took a bit long to drive the French out because their divide and conquer tactic was well implemented. Not only Vietnamese Patriots had to fight the French Ligionary, which has members from all part of Africa, Philippine, prisoners of war from Europe, but Vietnamese Patriots had to deal with nguy, bu cu, catholic Whitman worshiping zeals, sh1tty minorities. It was Viet vs. The World. But we did it. Woohoo!  There's NOTHING Vietnamese cannot do as proven. In future we supa powaaaaa

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Re: Nguyen Dynasty Lords vs Tay Son Brothers
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2021, 10:12:50 AM »
Lol I was just memeing. Nguyen lords still did their thing. It's just that nguyen emperors became so cucked after 1885 cause they were born as puppets into french control and no longer had the motivation or effort to overthrow the french which happened to the last emperor bao dai

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Re: Nguyen Dynasty Lords vs Tay Son Brothers
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2021, 12:34:03 PM »
You guys mixing up time periods and playing nationalism applying to differrent eras. 

In the age of Western imperialism no country on Earth wasn't colonized one way of another.  I don't think any Asian country escaped.  If you are going to blame the Nguyen, then do you think if the the Tay Son were in power will repulse the French?

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