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The new name of Vietnam
« on: September 24, 2021, 12:25:58 PM »
Vietnam is honestly, quite a shwitty name.

Vietnam's name comes from the Nguyen Dynasty who changed their name to Vietnam because Gia Long couldn't get Nam Viet, which was given by the Manchu emperor (not qingk), which means Viets of the South. And if you want to go way back, 'Viet' just means axe. Vietnamese = axe people? Xich Quy, Hong Bang, Van Lang, Van Xuan, Dai Viet, Dai Nam, Dong Duong are past names of Viet Nam. Annam and Giaochi/chau are embarassing names. Why should Vietnam's name have to be related to the chinoise?

Philippines' name comes from King Philippe who was the overlord of Spain during their colonization of the Philippines. The Philippines has a new name in replacement for that - Maharlika.

Japan is the English translation of 'Japon/Japones' from a Portugese traveler/merchant, their local name is Nippon, a local, unique name. Their oldest name, 'Wa' comes from what the Chinese called Japan, and 'Yamato' is also a unique name.

Korea is known as 'Goryeo' and has also been known as 'Joseon' both names come from China.

China comes from 'Sina' which came from a Persian, but their local name is 'Zhong Hua'.


I would rather have Vietnam's name be original and not having been influenced by other nations.

How and what would you name the new Viet Nam?

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2021, 12:41:33 PM »
History Route 1. Vietnamese people, in ancient history and folklore, have been one with water and the rivers. Sống or nước? Or Nạc/Lac/Lak? Nước isn't aesthetically pleasing. The Vietnamese dragon, originated from crocodiles which transitioned over time to dragons, as Vietnamese have come from being "one with the water". The mythological folklore would be Vietnamese having been descended from a dragon and a mountain fairy - Lac Long Quan and Au Co, Lac Long Quan having slayed a demonic canine monster fox spirit and would be known as a hero and the Vietnamese people's daddy.

Perhaps the new name should be 'Rồng Sống' - Dragon River or River of the Dragon 'Sống Rồng'. In English translated, taking into account of historical translations and interpretations of foreigners, it would eventually be called "Sora" or Soranian.

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2021, 12:47:35 PM »
History Route 2. Đại Việt or Đại Cồ Việt. "Great Axe" or "Great Viet". Actially a unique name chosen by the Vietnamese themselves. And the chinoise got so butthurt at the Vietnamese for having this name because 'Great' was in it  :giggle: this name represents the first event in which the nation of now modern day Vietnam would become independent after defeating foreigners and establishing self rule. Quyen Ngo is da nigga. Rekt the chins so hard.

Đại Việt would be the new local name, so if it was today it would be CHXHCN Đại Việt. Or just Đại Việt. English translation: Daiamese. Or Daian. Daico.

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2021, 12:51:36 PM »
History Route 3. Xich Quy, Hong Bang, Van Lang, Lac Au/Au Lac. Ancient states of the past.

I would be fine with these actually, and the people would be identified as Kinhnamese (English translation) and Lạc Việt (Viet).

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2021, 12:56:21 PM »
I Don't Care Route. The current name of Vietnam is identifiable by the global world now. The culture and people are associated with the word "Vietnam" and "Vietnamese" in the modern world now. To change it would be too much work and a hassle. A lot of things would have to be changed here and there. Socially and politically.

The same.

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2021, 01:16:37 PM »
History Route 4. Bách Việt, many tribes of the Viet in modern day South Chinoise and North Vietnam. The pathetic weakling south chinoise aboriginals were conquered and sinicized, whereas the ones from North Vietnam weren't, and the ones that resisted the invaders withdrew to North Vietnam, so only the name Lac Au Viet would be accepted.The Bách Việt were said to be great iron smiths and riverfarers.

The new name of Viet Nam will be the "Land of Iron" or "Iron Axe", as "Vương Quốc Sắt" or "Sắt Quốc". The people will be known as Lạc Au Việt and English translation would be Satan.

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2021, 01:29:31 PM »
History Route 5. Tây Son brothers. Quang Trung's legacy. focked the french up, focked the khmer up, focked the thais up, focked the chinoise up. Tây Son holds a very special meaning to Vietnamese.

Name: Tây Sơn. People: Người Tây Sơn, English:Tysons.

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2021, 01:34:13 PM »
History Route 6. Dong Son culture. Vietnamese have a history with the bronze drums called Dong Son. The patterns of the Dong Son are ancient and has been used by the Vietnamese since their people were the Lac Viet and Au Viet.

The nation will be called "Dong Son" and the people will be called Viet. Interpreted in English as "Damn Son".

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2021, 01:54:28 PM »
Identity, Spirit, Heart Route. "Vo Vi Nam" or "Vo Vi Do", the national martial arts of Vietnam. Vietnamese people have gone through many hardships and are fighters, and naturally good at fighting not just militarily but in professional sports. Cung Le, Duy Nhat, Martin Nguyen, Dat Nguyen, Thanh Le + some more have become champs and held belts on the international stage.

The country of fighting spirit, "Vovinam", "Vovido". The people are known as "Vovi". The motto is "Tinh Thần Chiến Đấu".

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2021, 02:25:42 PM »
I don't think meaning of the word Viet means Axe.  The word axe is just a homonym of the word 'Viet' in Chinese character which means axe.  There's no determined meaning of the word Viet, except it was used to refer to the people of south of China at the time.

I am OK with Vietnam because it would mean the Viet of the south.  Naming it NamViet would mean the Viet state to the south of CHina, which would have references to China.

I'm also OK with Lac Viet.


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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2021, 02:32:37 PM »
If you want to be strictly have naming convention of Vietnamese origin then probably name the people who inhabits the Red river delta. 

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The Red River, also known as the Hong River (traditional Chinese: 紅河; simplified Chinese: 红河; pinyin: Hóng Hé; Vietnamese: Sông Hồng), the Hồng Hà and Sông Cái (lit. "Mother River") in Vietnamese,[citation needed] and the Yuan River (元江, Yuán Jiāng Nguyên Giang) in Chinese, is a 1,149-kilometer (714 mi)-long river that flows from Yunnan in Southwest China through northern Vietnam to the Gulf of Tonkin. According to C. Michael Hogan, the associated Red River Fault was instrumental in forming the entire South China Sea at least as early as 37 million years before present.


You could call it Hongland.


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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2021, 02:47:35 PM »
I don't think meaning of the word Viet means Axe.  The word axe is just a homonym of the word 'Viet' in Chinese character which means axe.  There's no determined meaning of the word Viet, except it was used to refer to the people of south of China at the time.

I am OK with Vietnam because it would mean the Viet of the south.  Naming it NamViet would mean the Viet state to the south of CHina, which would have references to China.

Ohhh is that so?

I like History Route 1 and Identity, Spirit, Heart Route for exotic naming.

History Route 4 for folklore.

I like Historical Route 3 for its historical Vietnamese roots. I also like Kinhamese as a word instead of Vietnamese.

Historical Route 2 is good but it has "Dai" and it can get confused with the Dai ethnic if using in English.

If you want to be strictly have naming convention of Vietnamese origin then probably name the people who inhabits the Red river delta. 

You could call it Hongland.

I like the hong. I could replace it with Historical Route 1 and name it as "Sống Hồng", River of the Hong or Historical Route 4 "Hồng Quốc"/"Hồng Sống Quốc". The Hong people, Honganese, Sohanian, the Haso, Hoso. Honso, Hanzo. Or Lac Viet or Kinhnamese.

Could you think of any that doesn't have to do with origins?

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2021, 02:59:14 PM »
Xe honda

The country of honda scooters

Xe may honda (country); xehodas, xehondans (eng); xe honda (viet)

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2021, 03:04:33 PM »
Could you think of any that doesn't have to do with origins?


Nguyenland?

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Re: The new name of Vietnam
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2021, 04:50:51 PM »
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