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The ideas of obligation to the public in modern morality, is in fact, derived from Greek and Roman sources, not Christian. Even the morality of private life such as magnanimity, fair-mindedness, personal dignity, honor, it is all derived purely from human, not a God from the bible. Mankind owe a great debt  to its early teachers, I do not deny this, but to say Christianity is the source of western liberal values is  incomplete and one-sided. If anything, Christianity contributed to the down fall of the enlighten ages and retracted Europe back to the Dark Ages centuries ago.


The old Testament, is indeed an elaborate religious system, but with due respect very barbarous and it is intended for  a barbarous people.  The new Testament, is impossible to interpret literally, and it is possessing  rather  the impressiveness of poetry and eloquence.

Christian so called morality has the character of a reactionary, it is a negative rather than a positive, it is passive rather than active; it is innocence rather than noble, it is about abstinence from evil rather than energetically pursue of good. It is  a percept of " thou shalt not" mostly over "thou shalt." It is holding on to the hope of heaven and fear the threat of hell, as the appointed motives to a virtuous life. It is a self-fish character, that promotes self-interest,  and actively obey what the religion authority is promoted.




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The ideas of obligation to the public in modern morality, is in fact, derived from Greek and Roman sources, not Christian. Even the morality of private life such as magnanimity, fair-mindedness, personal dignity, honor, it is all derived purely from human, not a God from the bible. Mankind owe a great debt  to its early teachers, I do not deny this, but to say Christianity is the source of western liberal values is  incomplete and one-sided. If anything, Christianity contributed to the down fall of the enlighten ages and retracted Europe back to the Dark Ages centuries ago.


The old Testament, is indeed an elaborate religious system, but with due respect very barbarous and it is intended for  a barbarous people.  The new Testament, is impossible to interpret literally, and it is possessing  rather  the impressiveness of poetry and eloquence.

Christian so called morality has the character of a reactionary, it is a negative rather than a positive, it is passive rather than active; it is innocence rather than noble, it is about abstinence from evil rather than energetically pursue of good. It is  a percept of " thou shalt not" mostly over "thou shalt." It is holding on to the hope of heaven and fear the threat of hell, as the appointed motives to a virtuous life. It is a self-fish character, that promotes self-interest,  and actively obey what the religion authority is promoted.

democracy came from greece... the romans were later christianize as well..

just looked how brutal the romans were... tell me which one of the romans ways we emulate today.. ( burning people alive, feeding people to the lions, gladiator games, war raped, genocided. )

the 3rd reich ( ww2 axis) was modeled after the romans.. just in cased you didnt know..

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Spanish acquisition, Herman Cortes conquered of the Aztec, European Dark Ages,  Constantine conversion the Christian and began to kill off the pagan. The same thing can be said about the Christian.

We judge people by their deeds, not what they say. We watch what they do.  And Christian has done a whole lot of F up golly.

Western political system is based on the Roman Paxima, not christian. If it was christian there will be prayers everyday, stoning, sacrifices, burning witches, and everyone must obey the pope for he is the ambassador of God. Quit lying, or else you will go to hell, according to God. He hates lairs.

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Spanish acquisition, Herman Cortes conquered of the Aztec, European Dark Ages,  Constantine conversion the Christian and began to kill off the pagan. The same thing can be said about the Christian.

We judge people by their deeds, not what they say. We watch what they do.  And Christian has done a whole lot of F up golly.

Western political system is based on the Roman Paxima, not christian. If it was christian there will be prayers everyday, stoning, sacrifices, burning witches, and everyone must obey the pope for he is the ambassador of God. Quit lying, or else you will go to hell, according to God. He hates lairs.

the spaniards were roman catholics... basically its christianity mix with roman paganism..

christmas has nothing to do with santa clause, easter sunday has nothing to do with jesus resurrection.

the competition between different christian secs is what made christianity spread out fast on the planet..

protestant, roman cathoclism & eastern orthodox.


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christianity has nothing to do with stoning, burning witches, sacrificing humans... where did you get that from??? please quote it..

the definition of christian is '' someone who followed the ways/teachings of jesus christ''...

being a christian doesnt mean NOT having a army.. there were crusades who drove out the muslims out of europe and jerusalem.

for christians, christianity is judasim for the gentiles.
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now as for AZTECS.. they had their own Gods & culture..
and this is what they do... tell if i'm lying..








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That what the Aztec did, for the reason the Spanish called them barbaric and savages. Then they turn around and do the same things which they were accusing the Aztec of. They slaughtered, raped, and looted them.

Double standards or hypocrisy?

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That what the Aztec did, for the reason the Spanish called them barbaric and savages. Then they turn around and do the same things which they were accusing the Aztec of. They slaughtered, raped, and looted them.

Double standards or hypocrisy?

i'm Filipino... my people knew 1st hand for generations 333+ years to what the spanish Did. They DID NOT Slaughter, mass raped and robbed everyone

what the spanish did was they colonized the people, mixed with locals to the elites of society.. their spanish/mestizo descendants were the rulers...
they set up trading blocks.. the natives population had to learn spanish & catholic missionaries went to baptized & christianise the locals.... the spanish did erase the local culture..

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the aztecs & native american however would totally wipe out their enemies.

for every former spanish territories. we know what the spanish were up to..
the corruption within the catholic church...
 

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1. The Spanish army is composed of men who were considered losers and has no hope in the homeland. They voluntary joined the military for riches, land, and women. These were undesirable and horny boys. Of course mass rape was going on.

2. Hernan cortez looted so much gold in Mexico, the gold he sent back contributed to inflation of the economy. There were so much gold coming in but not enough good or services.

3. The aztec were wiped out, what remains are their ancient ruins. Its people were decimated by the sword or  by the bible.

4. All the Mexican I met, speak Spanish, has Spanish names, and they love Jesus. In fact a bunch of them I met name Jesus.

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Theres alot of Gold & other natural resources in the philippines..

the spanish DID NOT looted everything..

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I was talking about Mexico.

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1. The Spanish army is composed of men who were considered losers and has no hope in the homeland. They voluntary joined the military for riches, land, and women. These were undesirable and horny boys. Of course mass rape was going on.

2. Hernan cortez looted so much gold in Mexico, the gold he sent back contributed to inflation of the economy. There were so much gold coming in but not enough good or services.

3. The aztec were wiped out, what remains are their ancient ruins. Its people were decimated by the sword or  by the bible.

4. All the Mexican I met, speak Spanish, has Spanish names, and they love Jesus. In fact a bunch of them I met name Jesus.

sorry i didnt see this before i wrote it..

to answer your question.. 

its called '' ROMAN cathoclism'' .. this is why the founding fathers of america seperated church & state..

i already explained the difference with protestant & roman cathoclism.
its christianity mixed with roman paganism.

as for SPAIN.... keep in mind they are hundreds of years in power....

its like blaiming abraham lincoln ( republican ) for the wrong doings of george bush( republican)  who invaded iraq..

and Yes my ancestors and MExicans hated the spanish for the corruption they brought in..





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Re: Western ideas of Public Obligation are derived from Greek and Roman
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2018, 10:06:20 PM »
EVen america (protestant) is corruptible  , the house of israel is corruptible.

churches can be be curruptible ( sometimes you have people in churches taking money, having sexual affairs) ..

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the aztecs and natives-american were mostly wiped out my diseases.. BTW.


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Re: Western ideas of Public Obligation are derived from Greek and Roman
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2018, 10:55:05 PM »
judiasm and muslims have sets of government laws.. they have their own land to govern

christianity DOES NOT... christianity has no authority!. it just means '''GOOD NEWS'' .. plain and simple..

Jesus Christ was a carpenter.. he didnt govern anything like jews or muslims.. jesus christ didnt have a army...

he commanded everyone who witness his resurrection to spread the good news around the world..

romans could not stop christianity, so the romans put together christianity with roman practices.... and that's when colonization of the entire planet happens..

anglo-saxons, spanish, french, portugal, dutch.. were all competing with each other..



 

 
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