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Viet Heritage => Society => Topic started by: 大越 on October 27, 2015, 04:28:30 PM

Title: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: 大越 on October 27, 2015, 04:28:30 PM
Slums are prevalent in major cities in many developing countries across Asia, Africa, and central and South America. Vietnam is an exception to this. Why is that?

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/aug/11/hanoi-slums-vietnam-urban-planning-construction (http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/aug/11/hanoi-slums-vietnam-urban-planning-construction)
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: lalapaluza on October 27, 2015, 04:58:35 PM
Vietnam golly doesn't smell.

 =))
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: Nagash on October 27, 2015, 07:48:34 PM
Slums are prevalent in major cities in many developing countries across Asia, Africa, and central and South America. Vietnam is an exception to this. Why is that?

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/aug/11/hanoi-slums-vietnam-urban-planning-construction (http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/aug/11/hanoi-slums-vietnam-urban-planning-construction)

would you swim in this water??
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4114/4787646724_0502a36028_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: 大越 on October 27, 2015, 07:53:12 PM
would you swim in this water??
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4114/4787646724_0502a36028_b.jpg)


Nice try. That's an old photo. They since cleaned the place up.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: Artanis on October 27, 2015, 07:57:13 PM
i think its easier for homogenous nations to work together than multicultural ones.

look at rome. they were a pure race. they conquered because they were of one blood, one race, one mind. they only declined once they became filled with other races.

look at china, they are still pure. look at japan and korea. even north korea works like a team because they are of pure superior blood. purity is strength. if korea was multi cultural with muslims and....indians and.....who knows what, it couldnt achieve what it has done for a small nation.

the racial purity of these people gives the the advantage of caring for their nation and people. in  Korean there is the word  minjok. it has the same meaning as the word  Volk in german.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: 大越 on October 27, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
I think it boils down to cultural values. The values that a society holds determine their actions.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: Nagash on October 27, 2015, 08:05:41 PM

Nice try. That's an old photo. They since cleaned the place up.

they cleaned up in a year??

Dude its okayto admit Vietnam has some places you are not so proud about

Im not proud of Manila ....that doesnt mean Im trashing Philippines...I just call a spade a spade
Because even if Manila is a golly hole...at least my province is not
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YgyWJWHNWfQ/UhbT0GK-82I/AAAAAAAAASk/rM_j0l2X8Tk/s1600/11.JPG)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XMJhCi2ldZw/UhbZqwoT-DI/AAAAAAAAATM/Fs7UJ3rIzlg/s1600/P8211228.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cHAEwUsvgF4/Uhbbs6kcu9I/AAAAAAAAAT0/VWdWzwpvXrU/s1600/P8211278.JPG)
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: gaden on October 27, 2015, 08:18:40 PM
I believe it's mostly due to income equity and the culture of saving face, the aversion of the people to be lower class.  Even though income is low, it is more evenly distributed.  Also, social competition, strive to be better than your neighbor, gives the people that drive towards improvement.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: lalapaluza on October 29, 2015, 10:41:44 AM
prince V has turned into a ngjm.

of course VN has lots of slums, just google the terms. VN people are some of the worst litterers. I haven't been to other developing countries to tell. Prolly not unique in this respect but they are not noble and "face saving" poor people. Even Viet in the US tend not to care for public cleanliness. It's a bad attitude overall.

of course except for gaden, he picks up trash on the street.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: gaden on October 29, 2015, 01:48:13 PM
It really is not that bad; just ordinary structured housing, not like cardboard and tin metal roofs.  My guess is that property prices has gone up, so the people sell their shanty homes to developers.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuuGmx8qWxw#)

http://youtu.be/3Z6C9w37i1A (http://youtu.be/3Z6C9w37i1A)


The worst you can see is probably this right now.
(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2013/04/24/world/asia/VIETNAM/VIETNAM-articleLarge.jpg)
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: lalapaluza on October 29, 2015, 02:41:35 PM
lol, these are not the slums I see when I google "slums in VN", full of trash and shacks made from aluminum sheets.

Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: gaden on October 29, 2015, 03:04:31 PM
Probably search for the dates of those photos. 

Pictures like this is in 1998.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/130/345377979_e75811596e.jpg)
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: lalapaluza on October 29, 2015, 03:20:36 PM
this pic from 2012
http://www.saigonist.com/vietnam/hcmc/ho-chi-minh-city-slums (http://www.saigonist.com/vietnam/hcmc/ho-chi-minh-city-slums)

tbh, the crowded streets, full of trash and electric wires everywhere look like slumps to me.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: gaden on October 29, 2015, 03:33:34 PM
this pic from 2012
http://www.saigonist.com/vietnam/hcmc/ho-chi-minh-city-slums (http://www.saigonist.com/vietnam/hcmc/ho-chi-minh-city-slums)

tbh, the crowded streets, full of trash and electric wires everywhere look like slumps to me.

I believe that picture is in Manila, the author was making a reference to what he perceives as slums and he doesn't see that type of scene on Saigon, even though Saigon is poorer than Manila.

Quote
The surprising thing is that in Ho Chi Minh City there's nowhere that I would especially consider a slum region.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: 大越 on October 29, 2015, 05:08:22 PM
prince V has turned into a ngjm.

of course VN has lots of slums, just google the terms. VN people are some of the worst litterers. I haven't been to other developing countries to tell. Prolly not unique in this respect but they are not noble and "face saving" poor people. Even Viet in the US tend not to care for public cleanliness. It's a bad attitude overall.

of course except for gaden, he picks up trash on the street.


What?
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: 大越 on October 29, 2015, 05:09:46 PM
this pic from 2012
http://www.saigonist.com/vietnam/hcmc/ho-chi-minh-city-slums (http://www.saigonist.com/vietnam/hcmc/ho-chi-minh-city-slums)

tbh, the crowded streets, full of trash and electric wires everywhere look like slumps to me.


The definition of slums are homes with no electricity and running water. There are lots of problems with Vietnam. Slums is not one of them.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: Nagash on October 29, 2015, 07:26:19 PM
I believe that picture is in Manila, the author was making a reference to what he perceives as slums and he doesn't see that type of scene on Saigon, even though Saigon is poorer than Manila.

I believe secret of the RoseS was correct
Look at the link of the pic
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Just_another_way_to_bath_%40_Saigon.jpg/640px-Just_another_way_to_bath_%40_Saigon.jpg
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: 大越 on October 29, 2015, 07:40:08 PM
I believe secret of the RoseS was correct
Look at the link of the pic
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Just_another_way_to_bath_%40_Saigon.jpg/640px-Just_another_way_to_bath_%40_Saigon.jpg


1% of the city vs 20%.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: Nagash on October 29, 2015, 07:43:14 PM
You could say the same thing with most SEA countries with exception of Laos, Cambodia, Burma
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: gaden on October 29, 2015, 08:42:04 PM
I believe secret of the RoseS was correct
Look at the link of the pic
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Just_another_way_to_bath_@_Saigon.jpg/640px-Just_another_way_to_bath_@_Saigon.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Just_another_way_to_bath_@_Saigon.jpg/640px-Just_another_way_to_bath_@_Saigon.jpg)

It could be of Saigon but not in 2012.   The slums along the Nhieu Loc-Thi Nghe  area which the author talked about  were razed in 1999. 

The resurrection of Nhieu Loc-Thi Nghe: How HCMC brought the black water canal back from the dead
http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/the-resurrection-of-nhieu-locthi-nghe-how-hcmc-brought-the-black-water-canal-back-from-the-dead-30431.html (http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/the-resurrection-of-nhieu-locthi-nghe-how-hcmc-brought-the-black-water-canal-back-from-the-dead-30431.html)

Right now, that area looks like this.  I don't think they can accomplish all this in 3 years.

(http://static.thanhniennews.com/uploaded/thaovi/2014_08_28/garbagecollectors_bsde.jpg?width=840)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jb4foDc7FI#)
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: Nagash on October 29, 2015, 09:30:12 PM
It could be of Saigon but not in 2012.   The slums along the Nhieu Loc-Thi Nghe  area which the author talked about  were razed in 1999. 

The resurrection of Nhieu Loc-Thi Nghe: How HCMC brought the black water canal back from the dead
http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/the-resurrection-of-nhieu-locthi-nghe-how-hcmc-brought-the-black-water-canal-back-from-the-dead-30431.html (http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/the-resurrection-of-nhieu-locthi-nghe-how-hcmc-brought-the-black-water-canal-back-from-the-dead-30431.html)

Right now, that area looks like this.  I don't think they can accomplish all this in 3 years.

(http://static.thanhniennews.com/uploaded/thaovi/2014_08_28/garbagecollectors_bsde.jpg?width=840)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jb4foDc7FI#)

This video was taken in 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoCupQ-HQRE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoCupQ-HQRE)
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: 大越 on October 29, 2015, 09:42:49 PM
Despite what anyone says, we know the truth.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: gaden on October 30, 2015, 07:42:37 AM
There are probably slums in VN in the outer fringes of the cities to accommodate immigrant workers if you look harder, as immigrants are needed for the construction boom and a lack of housing.

Saigon Slums
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzFzcbuItnM#)

HaNoi Slums
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvjQ0n6Ikxw#)
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: Nagash on October 30, 2015, 08:14:56 AM
There are probably slums in VN in the outer fringes of the cities to accommodate immigrant workers if you look harder, as immigrants are needed for the construction boom and a lack of housing.

Saigon Slums
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzFzcbuItnM#)

HaNoi Slums
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvjQ0n6Ikxw#)

That is basically what slums are....poor communities that are on the fringes of big modern cities
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: 大越 on October 30, 2015, 08:37:30 AM
There are specific criteria, and they are whether these homes are hooked up to electrical power and to plumbing with running water.

Another thing to consider is what is the scale? Do these neighborhoods consist of 20% of the city's population or 1%? For this you can't just look at photos that shows the same homes over and over again or to videos that only showcases a handful of individuals living in these homes. You have to look at the numbers.

Like I got this from the link that Athena provided:

Access to water in urbanized areas of...
1. Indonesia: 89%
2. Philippines: 93%
3. Vietnam: 99%

Access to sanitation in urbanized areas of...
1. Indonesia: 67%
2. Philippines: 80%
3. Vietnam: 94%
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: literallyChina on October 30, 2015, 04:08:21 PM
That is basically what slums are....poor communities that are on the fringes of big modern cities

Well you'd know from first hand experience I'd imagine
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: Nagash on October 30, 2015, 06:53:15 PM
Well you'd know from first hand experience I'd imagine

Lol never been inside a slum in my life...maybe you could tell us what it's like to live in a chibolo slum
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: literallyChina on October 30, 2015, 07:27:40 PM
Lol never been inside a slum in my life...maybe you could tell us what it's like to live in a chibolo slum

I thought Peranakans were associated with wealth and power in SEA, especially in Philippines. Maybe we should ask this Bisayan maid who is probably employed by a Peranakan, who barks orders at her and forces her to clean the toilets after deliberately smearing it with his poop. She's like Cinderella who can't go to the ball, which would involve using chopsticks. Even if she was allowed to go she would scoff her face with her bare greedy hands though. Awkward.

http://www.bestmaid.com.sg/listmaid.asp?id=19968 (http://www.bestmaid.com.sg/listmaid.asp?id=19968)
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: Nagash on October 30, 2015, 07:35:27 PM
I thought Peranakans were associated with wealth and power in SEA, especially in Philippines. Maybe we should ask this Bisayan maid who is probably employed by a Peranakan, who barks orders at her and forces her to clean the toilets after deliberately smearing it with his poop. She's like Cinderella who can't go to the ball, which would involve using chopsticks. Even if she was allowed to go she would scoff her face with her bare greedy hands though. Awkward.

http://www.bestmaid.com.sg/listmaid.asp?id=19968 (http://www.bestmaid.com.sg/listmaid.asp?id=19968)

well not in Malaysia and Thailand it seems

lol why do you only post maids???
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: literallyChina on October 30, 2015, 08:09:31 PM
well not in Malaysia and Thailand it seems

lol why do you only post maids???

Because Billie Jean is not my lover.
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: gaden on October 30, 2015, 10:02:04 PM
Why would anyone cry when a slum burns down?  Would they be moved to a top notch hotel?  Or at least go home to work in the farms instead?

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Cogn88hMk#)
Title: Re: Vietnam has no slums
Post by: Qu Đơn on September 13, 2017, 02:17:16 PM
Vietnam´s minorities will reach 25% by 2050.  Vietnamese will not be a super majority in their own country in the future.