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Offline Qu Đơn

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Vietnam has no middle class
« on: January 13, 2018, 09:25:59 AM »

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Re: Vietnam has no middle class
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2018, 03:49:30 PM »


So 32 years after Doi Moi we still haven't achieved anything significant.
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Re: Vietnam has no middle class
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2018, 03:59:40 PM »
Um, lower and upper middle = Middle 


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Re: Vietnam has no middle class
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2018, 07:35:01 PM »
These 2 clowns don’t know how to read graphs.
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Re: Vietnam has no middle class
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2018, 08:20:23 PM »
Ah, Vietnam, progress is going from poor to semi poor.

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Re: Vietnam has no middle class
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2018, 07:21:18 AM »
This is the majority of the so-called middle class:




And here were the real middle class that the communist took away:

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Re: Vietnam has no middle class
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2018, 08:11:11 AM »
I’m pretty sure Attreybooger is lower class. He doesn’t seem smart enough to hold a middle class job.
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Re: Vietnam has no middle class
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2018, 08:15:32 AM »
I’m pretty sure Attreybooger is lower class. He doesn’t seem smart enough to hold a middle class job.

At least I have a job I'm comfortable with and live in a country that are doing much right compared to your masters in Vietnam. Why don't you pull your azz out of countries that gives you more than what you deserve, and go to your communist master as naive slave as you are?
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Re: Vietnam has no middle class
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2018, 08:57:50 AM »
At least I have a job I'm comfortable with and live in a country that are doing much right compared to your masters in Vietnam. Why don't you pull your azz out of countries that gives you more than what you deserve, and go to your communist master as naive slave as you are?

I think a lot of people in Vietnam are actually better off than you and live more comfortable lives.
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Re: Vietnam has no middle class
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 09:01:35 AM »
I think a lot of people in Vietnam are actually better off than you and live more comfortable lives.

You're so wrong commie poster boy. If this is what you say is true in your warped reality, why are there hundreds to thousands of girls marrying koreans every year? Why does the numbers of vietnamese disappearing after their visum runs out very high overseas? I'm not saying there aren't people that have a decent life in Vietnam, but they are not the majority. Your master is going backward these days. Spending millions of dollars on authorian projects like hiring 10 000 trolls to deny people's freedom of speech and spreading more commie propaganda. Instead of using the money on people's need.
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Re: Vietnam has no middle class
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2018, 09:27:23 AM »
Hoa Chinaboy is so disillusioned that he made a comment on my other thread saying that English language proficiency is not needed in Vietnam.
In fact, education affects social mobility in almost every country of the world.  If education does not prepare the students for better job prospects, then social mobility does not exist.  Without social mobility, further economic development just leads to the Brazil-ization of Vietnam where you have a small super rich elite and the Middle Poor and Poor Poor underclass.  The graph I posted above clearly shows this.  Also, to put things in perspective, an upper middle class person in Vietnam makes no more than $5000 a year, which is considered poor even by Southeast Asian standards. 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-20/in-vietnam-the-best-education-can-lead-to-worse-job-prospects

https://wol.iza.org/news/university-education-may-lead-to-worse-job-prospects-in-vietnam

Unemployment amongst university graduates in Vietnam has reached 17% despite an overall unemployment rate of just 2.3%, according to a Vietnamese government report.

While there has been an expansion in the number of colleges and universities in Vietnam over the past decade, the quality of education is not consistent. Courses often focus on the history and ideals of Ho Chi Minh and socialism rather than developing skills for the workplace. The Deputy Head of the Institute of Labour Science and Social Affairs, Luu Quang Tuan, said that state higher education can be “a big waste of time and money,” and that the lack of key skills such as teamwork and organization amongst graduates is “holding back the economy.”

As a result, there is a growing trend of Vietnamese students seeking higher education abroad. For example, the number of Vietnamese studying in Japan increased more than 12-fold between 2010 and 2016 to around 54,000.

The Vietnamese government has started making changes, but progress is slow. Nguyen Minh Thuyet is overseeing a new curriculum strategy from the Ministry of Education and says “we need to overhaul [university and college] curricula to reduce training of impractical subjects.” However “not much has been done.”

Private universities and training could provide the answer for some students, with the first independent institution approved by the government due to open later this year. Fulbright University Vietnam has received funding from the US State Department and will follow a western and ideologically balanced style of teaching.

Additionally, companies such as FPT Corp. and Intel Corp., specializing in telecoms and technology respectively, are investing heavily in setting up training programs and educational facilities for their workforces.

In an article for IZA World of Labor, Gustavo A. Yamada suggests that “a rapid increase in university graduates in developing countries might exacerbate overeducation and underemployment of professionals.” Points of concern include “weak job markets, low-quality university programs, and job–education mismatches.” Government interventions “should focus on the collection and dissemination of information on employability by career and institution, and on quality assurance measures … rather than trying to control the supply of higher education.”

 
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