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Title: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 27, 2015, 07:55:08 AM
Yes, it's provocative, but it's the simple truth. I've met some pinoy's and they are more open minded and westernized than viets.
Why does koreans prefer travelling to the Phillipines than Vietnam? Vietnam share many culture similarities than koreans, but still they prefer going to an asian country that doesn't have so much in common with them. The answer is simple: Pinoy's can behave themselves and have in some degree better manners than viets.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: RedWine on October 27, 2015, 08:03:27 AM
Viets have strong cultural traditions and identity. We are quite Asian, and that's ok in my book.

As for manners, I'm not sure what you mean.

I've read reports on street vendors trying to haggle and cheat tourists in VN. That's not good.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Nagash on October 27, 2015, 08:05:51 AM
Yes, it's provocative, but it's the simple truth. I've met some pinoy's and they are more open minded and westernized than viets.
Why does koreans prefer travelling to the Phillipines than Vietnam? Vietnam share many culture similarities than koreans, but still they prefer going to an asian country that doesn't have so much in common with them....

To learn English...and people are generally nice..maybe they want to not experience cynical sinosphereic attitudes that they are used to, when on vacation.

Same culture type plays into why Vietnam is #1 destination to find wives for koreans.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 27, 2015, 08:06:35 AM
Viets have strong cultural traditions and identity. We are quite Asian, and that's ok in my book.

Nothing wrong about that, but when tourist numbers are dropping because of viets cheating on tourists, then it's a problem. Because of our damn money obsessions.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: RedWine on October 27, 2015, 08:08:28 AM
Nothing wrong about that, but when tourist numbers are dropping because of viets cheating on tourists, then it's a problem. Because of our damn money obsessions.


Those cheating street vendors are a problem.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 27, 2015, 08:11:20 AM

Those cheating street vendors are a problem.


One of the many backsides of our ''culture''. And I understand that Vietnam is not a nr.1 industrialized country, hence industrialized. But I don't think that is a major factor in our money obsession, were we break our good morales to get cash.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Nagash on October 27, 2015, 08:12:34 AM
Nothing wrong about that, but when tourist numbers are dropping because of viets cheating on tourists, then it's a problem. Because of our damn money obsessions.

Well that would be a turnoff for western tourists as well.

Why doesn't Vietnam try to attract tourists from other sea nations as well. You could target wealthy malaysians, singaporeans, thai, Filipinos who would normally go to hk....take advantage of the recent anti-china sentiment in sea
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on October 27, 2015, 08:18:34 AM
Too much self-interest,
no collective interest for the goodness of the whole,
inability to look ahead,
no leadership
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: RedWine on October 27, 2015, 08:20:03 AM
One of the many backsides of our ''culture''. And I understand that Vietnam is not a nr.1 industrialized country, hence industrialized. But I don't think that is a major factor in our money obsession, were we break our good morales to get cash.


VN needs to educate these street vendors and provide opportunities to redirect their greediness to something more productive. They would make a killing as investment bankers.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 27, 2015, 08:24:16 AM
Too much self-interest,
no collective interest for the goodness of the whole,
inability to look ahead,
no leadership

You nailed it, Gadenski.

Call me pessimistic, but I don't think Vietnam will get industrialized or wealthy for that matter. I hear all those economic experts predicting Vietnam will have a large economy in 2050. A lot of things can happened 35 years from now. It's a bigger chance that Vietnam's economy will collapse due to high inflation and corruption, then becoming Korea.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: RedWine on October 27, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
You nailed it, Gadenski.

Call me pessimistic, but I don't think Vietnam will get industrialized or wealthy for that matter. I hear all those economic experts predicting Vietnam will have a large economy in 2050. A lot of things can happened 35 years from now. It's a bigger chance that Vietnam's economy will collapse due to high inflation and corruption, then becoming Korea.


I think greed, combined with ambition, can be a potent force for development. I would worry if they were beggars, but they are not. They are doing everything they can to sclove a living and survive. There is some promise there. When conditions are ripe, they will take advantage of it.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on October 27, 2015, 08:39:25 AM
A Japanese working in Vietnam summed it up nicely,

(click to show/hide)


This picture says it all.

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/10487214_10152301413986234_2546817538886514621_n.jpg?oh=5c7b231dff2bb72d6a00ce04deabb215&oe=56B92F4A)
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on October 27, 2015, 08:42:51 AM

I think greed, combined with ambition, can be a potent force for development. I would worry if they were beggars, but they are not. They are doing everything they can to sclove a living and survive. There is some promise there. When conditions are ripe, they will take advantage of it.


Greed can drive development but only for the few individuals.  It's not good hoard and not spread the wealth around.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Nagash on October 27, 2015, 08:43:33 AM
A Japanese working in Vietnam summed it up nicely,

(click to show/hide)


This picture says it all.

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/10487214_10152301413986234_2546817538886514621_n.jpg?oh=5c7b231dff2bb72d6a00ce04deabb215&oe=56B92F4A)

What's happening in this picture??
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on October 27, 2015, 08:54:12 AM
What's happening in this picture??

I'm not sure.  I think it's just a picture to demonstrate how Vietnamese goes about in serving their own interest.  Could be just fighting in line for some product.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Nagash on October 27, 2015, 08:57:35 AM
I'm not sure.  I think it's just a picture to demonstrate how Vietnamese goes about in serving their own interest.  Could be just fighting in line for some product.

The same thing happens in America during black friday
Title: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: literallyChina on October 27, 2015, 08:58:20 AM
But people do that in all developing countries

You can't expect people from developing countries to act like they are from developed countries

But then you do get exceptions like Thailand who are known to be really polite. But they are very spiritual / Buddhist orientated compared to say, Vietnam, Colombia, Brazil or Indonesia etc
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: literallyChina on October 27, 2015, 09:55:00 AM
Reasons to explain why Filipinos might be more "civilised":

1. Philippines never struggled through wartime devastation like Vietnam did between 1950s-70s

2. Thus, Filipino people never had to adopt a selfish and grasping attitude in order to survive.

3. Philippines has always been relatively wealthier than Vietnam (due to US investment?)

https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&idim=country:PHL:IDN:VNM&hl=en&dl=en# (https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&idim=country:PHL:IDN:VNM&hl=en&dl=en#)!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:PHL:VNM&ifdim=region&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: RedWine on October 27, 2015, 09:57:09 AM
US imposed economic and trade embargo on Vietnam up until 1997.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: SailorNeptune on October 27, 2015, 10:01:13 AM
The problem goes beyond street vendors. Just take a look at the security guards at the airport. They hassle anyone who don't put some cash in their passport. Greed and corruption is a multifaceted problem in Vietnam.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: literallyChina on October 27, 2015, 10:26:33 AM
I think Filipinos are generally a friendly a bunch. But I think they can also be quite twisted too, like if there is a corpse on the street, or a terrorist attack, I think a lot of them take selfies with the brutal event in the background.

As for national temperament (this thread is about generalisations anyway), I think they can be quite emotional and expressive. If they are sad, they will cry. If they are happy, they will smile and laugh. This contrasts to Sinospheric countries were open displays of emotions for trivial things are mostly considered child-like and naive. Stoicism is more the norm. I mean you can show emotions and be dramatic but many will think you're humorous, silly, funny or goofy. It's not the normal behaviour especially for males. I think girls might do it for the cute / attention whoring effect. But I'm talking about minor things like if you successfully baked a perfect cake, an East Asian person is not going to jump up and down and do a mini celebration.

Another example I can think of, is if a Chinese or Japanese kid got an A in a test, he will keep a straight face, maybe smile a bit and tell their parents.

I think in the Philippines, the student will let out a huge cheer, "YAAAYYY I GOT AN A!!" take selfies, post it on Facebook, throw a party and all the students circle him to congratulate him and throw confetti at him, or something like that. They might start singing and dancing. So it's more like a Bollywood movie.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: 1r0n_m4n_xl on October 27, 2015, 10:50:48 AM
Yes, it's provocative, but it's the simple truth. I've met some pinoy's and they are more open minded and westernized than viets.
Why does koreans prefer travelling to the Phillipines than Vietnam? Vietnam share many culture similarities than koreans, but still they prefer going to an asian country that doesn't have so much in common with them. The answer is simple: Pinoy's can behave themselves and have in some degree better manners than viets.

outside from countries diplomatic relations.

one the reason why both koreans and filipinos get along is because we are both christianize.. i see alot of korean missionaries spreading evangelicals churches in philippines ... soon philippines will be no longer catholic but a evangelical/protestant christians like koreans & americans. that's one of the reason why you will see thousands of koreans make philippines as their 2nd home..

and main reason is koreans come to learn english .. and they love cheaper spending lifestyle in philippines...beaches & islands , etc..

Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: 1r0n_m4n_xl on October 27, 2015, 11:03:40 AM
The problem goes beyond street vendors. Just take a look at the security guards at the airport. They hassle anyone who don't put some cash in their passport. Greed and corruption is a multifaceted problem in Vietnam.

is that normal???
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 27, 2015, 11:20:14 AM
The problem goes beyond street vendors. Just take a look at the security guards at the airport. They hassle anyone who don't put some cash in their passport. Greed and corruption is a multifaceted problem in Vietnam.

That's very true, Sailorneptune. We have to get rid of these bad traits if we want to develope ourselves.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 27, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
I think Filipinos are generally a friendly a bunch. But I think they can also be quite twisted too, like if there is a corpse on the street, or a terrorist attack, I think a lot of them take selfies with the brutal event in the background.

As for national temperament (this thread is about generalisations anyway), I think they can be quite emotional and expressive. If they are sad, they will cry. If they are happy, they will smile and laugh. This contrasts to Sinospheric countries were open displays of emotions for trivial things are mostly considered child-like and naive. Stoicism is more the norm. I mean you can show emotions and be dramatic but many will think you're humorous, silly, funny or goofy. It's not the normal behaviour especially for males. I think girls might do it for the cute / attention whoring effect. But I'm talking about minor things like if you successfully baked a perfect cake, an East Asian person is not going to jump up and down and do a mini celebration.

Another example I can think of, is if a Chinese or Japanese kid got an A in a test, he will keep a straight face, maybe smile a bit and tell their parents.

I think in the Philippines, the student will let out a huge cheer, "YAAAYYY I GOT AN A!!" take selfies, post it on Facebook, throw a party and all the students circle him to congratulate him and throw confetti at him, or something like that. They might start singing and dancing. So it's more like a Bollywood movie.

Good point, but I was thinking about showing emotions in a viet family. I remember when I was younger, and got sick by a flu or something. My mom got angry and didn't showed any empathy. One day I was fed up with that BS, and I confronted my parents on why they got angry on that. They said because they love me and worried about me. But that was their way of showing that they was concern. I think that was a very backward attitude. I assume this is a typical viet traits?
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Nagash on October 27, 2015, 11:43:17 AM
Reasons to explain why Filipinos might be more "civilised":

1. Philippines never struggled through wartime devastation like Vietnam did between 1950s-70s

2. Thus, Filipino people never had to adopt a selfish and grasping attitude in order to survive.

3. Philippines has always been relatively wealthier than Vietnam (due to US investment?)

https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&idim=country:PHL:IDN:VNM&hl=en&dl=en# (https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&idim=country:PHL:IDN:VNM&hl=en&dl=en#)!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:PHL:VNM&ifdim=region&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

because WW2 never happened right??

And NPA comunists & muslim seperatists constantly causing internal conflicts dont happen right??
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: literallyChina on October 27, 2015, 01:27:07 PM
Atreygutten, I don't think Filipinos are more civilised actually. Like other developing parts of Asia, queue cutting is common.

When you say "backwards" I thought you meant more civilised, but actually reading your original post again, you were talking about "open-mindedness", which isn't really the same thing as being civilised.

Murder rates are actually higher in Philippines compared to Vietnam. You are probably safer in Hanoi than in Manila.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 27, 2015, 01:43:04 PM
Atreygutten, I don't think Filipinos are more civilised actually. Like other developing parts of Asia, queue cutting is common.

When you say "backwards" I thought you meant more civilised, but actually reading your original post again, you were talking about "open-mindedness", which isn't really the same thing as being civilised.

Murder rates are actually higher in Philippines compared to Vietnam. You are probably safer in Hanoi than in Manila.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


Murder and crimes happens everywhere. Perhaps I'm safer in Hanoi, but in my view, pinoys are more civilized than viets. They express their emotions more honestly than us.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Artanis on October 27, 2015, 01:44:22 PM
 Koreans go to  Phillipines to learn english as far as im aware.  Vietnam is not fluent in  English like the Phillipines. That's about all there is to it i think but im no expert on this.
 
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: 1r0n_m4n_xl on October 27, 2015, 02:58:29 PM

1) philippines very loose laws on guns ownership.. it's legal to own a gun..
even i had a gun while visiting philippines as ''AMERICAN citizen''.

2)filipinos filipinos actually know how to make guns & cannons.. LOL.. including ME!.
80 percent of guns are imported to U.S & canada..  :)

gun shops/shooting range aren't hard to find..
____________
as far social construct goes:
1)you can be white, black, hispanic, middle eastern & even chinese (who philippines have territorial disputed right now) you will do fine around filipinos.. outside politics..

2)you can walk anywhere in the province at night as a foreigner by yourself, you'll do fine.. :)

______________

most of the bloodhead are done by muslims, anti-government, communist, nationalists party..









Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Nagash on October 27, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
Actually Davao is the shining light of Philippines...mayor reduced crime there by 90%

Manila is a shwithole...I advise you stay away from there if you value your life. It's a very dirty place run by peranakans and remontados

Iloilo, Cebu, Baguio, Davao are all cities much that make Philippines great.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: RedWine on October 27, 2015, 03:20:14 PM
I have a Chinese-Filipino acquaintance who would not go back to Philippines for fear of being kidnapped. It has happened to her uncle.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: 1r0n_m4n_xl on October 27, 2015, 03:24:40 PM
in honesty: things we can learn form other people..

1) we lack the discipline that japanese/germans have
2) we almost have no nationalism in our culture outside government nationalism.
3) we don't have racial pride like most asians.. (HAN, yamato,malay, Kinh etc etc.)
that's the main reason why filipinos are the biggest race mixer...

things we need to learn from vietnamese.
1) vietnamese is what would philippines look like under sino-sphere of influence ( culture wise)
but we're under western influence.

Philippines is just ' beginning to think like asians'' after independence..filipinos were breed from birth to act/think/have morals like westerners..



Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: literallyChina on October 27, 2015, 03:25:36 PM
Actually Davao is the shining light of Philippines...mayor reduced crime there by 90%

Manila is a shwithole...I advise you stay away from there if you value your life. It's a very dirty place run by peranakans and remontados

Iloilo, Cebu, Baguio, Davao are all cities much that make Philippines great.

I heard Manila people look down on people from other parts of Philippines though. Like if they see another Filipino and ask where they are from, and it's not Manlia, they have this superiority complex and assume you're some backward peasant or something.

I also heard they look down on people who don't speak Tagalog, which is considered the "highborn" / educated / civilised language of Philippines. That is what I read. People who don't speak Tagalog and not from Manila are looked down upon.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: 1r0n_m4n_xl on October 27, 2015, 03:33:35 PM
I have a Chinese-Filipino acquaintance who would not go back to Philippines for fear of being kidnapped. It has happened to her uncle.

uncle must be from manila.... it's dangerous in the slums there. however i would rather be in manila than harlem, brooklyn, bronx in nyc at night.. lol..

the very 1st you will notice in manila is that '' BANKS'' has police with guns loaded up ready for war..


 i'm scared to go muslim areas because i 'm afraid i will get kidnapped..



Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: 1r0n_m4n_xl on October 27, 2015, 03:42:17 PM
Actually Davao is the shining light of Philippines...mayor reduced crime there by 90%

Manila is a shwithole...I advise you stay away from there if you value your life. It's a very dirty place run by peranakans and remontados

Iloilo, Cebu, Baguio, Davao are all cities much that make Philippines great.

you forgot to mention that Most '' GAYS & transexuals'' gathers in manila... hahahahahah.



Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: literallyChina on October 27, 2015, 04:02:43 PM
The truth is, if a Manilan asks another Filipino where they're from, and their response is NOT Manila, they immediately become more cold. If you can't speak Tagalog (and speak another language like Bisaya or something), then you're treated like a impoverished third world monkey basically. Non-Tagalog speaking peoples are marginalised and are actually looked down upon in the Philippines.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Nagash on October 27, 2015, 06:31:44 PM
The truth is, if a Manilan asks another Filipino where they're from, and their response is NOT Manila, they immediately become more cold. If you can't speak Tagalog (and speak another language like Bisaya or something), then you're treated like a impoverished third world monkey basically. Non-Tagalog speaking peoples are marginalised and are actually looked down upon in the Philippines.

Lol most likely a monkey looking pernakan or remontado from manila Like ocrapdm.
They do that because manilenos secretly envy non-manilenos.

Visayas was the center of advanced society in pre-colonial Philippines...Manila was a swamp..
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: literallyChina on October 28, 2015, 06:14:40 AM
Lol most likely a monkey looking pernakan or remontado from manila Like ocrapdm.
They do that because manilenos secretly envy non-manilenos.

Visayas was the center of advanced society in pre-colonial Philippines...Manila was a swamp..

Dude I read blogs by other Filipinos, and they complain about Manilans and Tagalog speakers as being stuck up and having a superiority complex.

You can't get a respectable job in the Philippines if you don't speak Tagalog. Tagalog is the language of the educated and "civilised". Manilans see themselves as superior to other Filipinos :/
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Olive Juice on October 28, 2015, 08:22:57 PM
I've known and hung with Tagalogs, Ilocanos and Visayans all my life, and I have never heard or witness of an instance when Tagalogs look down on Visayans as inferior or whatever. 
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: literallyChina on October 29, 2015, 05:07:25 AM
That's anecdotal. A lot of blogs I read have commented on the Tagalog superiority complex, which explains why Ejay is always shwitting on them.

"True enough, non-native Tagalog-speaking Filipinos call our capital “Imperial Manila.” This is also one of the reasons why some native Tagalog speakers, being proud that their mother tongue is the basis for the “national language”, would somehow look down on non-native Tagalog-speaking Filipino groups. Has anyone been found guilty of making fun at Visayan-speaking Filipinos and how they speak a Tagalog-based Filipino in their own native accent? My Visayan friend once more reminded me that Visayans seem to bear the brunt of “inday” jokes".

http://www.rappler.com/move-ph/ispeak/66958-filipino-national-language (http://www.rappler.com/move-ph/ispeak/66958-filipino-national-language)

There is even a Wiki article about it. Manilans and native Tagalog speakers are seen as arrogant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Manila (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Manila)

"A small number of Cebuanos, ignoring the fact that Filipinos of other ethnolinguistic groups may not speak Cebuano, display intolerant behavior towards Tagalog-speakers, whom they view as arrogant. Filipinos of Visayan origin also use "Imperial Manila mentality" when referring to discrimination by their counterparts in Manila and in other parts of the world against them"

There is indeed a power dynamic in Philippines were Manilans / Tagalog speakers are sociologically above other Filipino groups, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Guess on October 29, 2015, 10:53:34 AM
I think it's a culture really. Even Viet in America do this sort of things although not as obvious. It's not really unique to VN culture but it is common in lots of developing countries. It's the chicken or the egg thing. To me it's really the attitude of the people that get them trapped in poverty then b/c of the poverty the petty behavior persists, so its vicious cycle.

I hope there will be more VN who learn from the west or even Japan and effect change in leadership and cultural attitude. it makes me sad really.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 29, 2015, 01:28:05 PM
Just to nitpick a little bit about vietnamese traits(the bad ones): It's impossible to have a viet girlfriend. They don't want sex, because we have to get married first. And some of them are jealous as hell. It's like I have to stick with them 24 hours a day. Then there is those family meetings you gotta show up. Otherwise in her point of viet, she will lose face and be embarresed, if I don't show up.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on October 29, 2015, 01:53:17 PM
Just to nitpick a little bit about vietnamese traits(the bad ones): It's impossible to have a viet girlfriend. They don't want sex, because we have to get married first. And some of them are jealous as hell. It's like I have to stick with them 24 hours a day. Then there is those family meetings you gotta show up. Otherwise in her point of viet, she will lose face and be embarresed, if I don't show up.

Are you talking about Sailor Neptune?  She's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 29, 2015, 02:00:04 PM
No, not at all. I'm just saying some portions of viet girls is that way. Yes, there are pretty viets in the homeland, but when I think about how their attitude could potentially be, then they're not so attractive to me. I can't look at them and say they are sexy when I know they can't have sex before marriage and all that old traditional stuff.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on October 29, 2015, 02:03:14 PM
I don'r think Vietnamese girls nowadays are that traditional anymore.  Maybe Vietnamese girls in the West are more traditional, but Vietnamese in Vietnam wants to follow modern Western behaviors.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 29, 2015, 02:27:07 PM
I don'r think Vietnamese girls nowadays are that traditional anymore.  Maybe Vietnamese girls in the West are more traditional, but Vietnamese in Vietnam wants to follow modern Western behaviors.

Maybe in urban areas like Hanoi or Saigon, the girls there are more westernized. But in countrysides, I think the old tradition still lingers there. In a very strong way.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Guess on October 29, 2015, 02:46:40 PM
Atrey, are you talking about VN girls in Norway or in VN?

All VN girls want financial security. Can't blame them since VN is a poor country and every single vn person I see wants to make money. But I understand it can get to the obsessional proportion and gets annoying.

The jealousy, I think it's more of a control issue rather than true jealousy. They want to know they're prized and the center of the universe. But that's an immature attitude. It's hard for me to tell you whether to stick with VN girls or go to white girls. But, keep trying and one day you will find her.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: UNIFY(하나로 하다) on October 29, 2015, 02:50:01 PM
Atrey, are you talking about VN girls in Norway or in VN?

All VN girls want financial security. Can't blame them since VN is a poor country and every single vn person I see wants to make money. But I understand it can get to the obsessional proportion and gets annoying.

The jealousy, I think it's more of a control issue rather than true jealousy. They want to know they're prized and the center of the universe. But that's an immature attitude. It's hard for me to tell you whether to stick with VN girls or go to white girls. But, keep trying and one day you will find her.

I'm talking about viet girls in general. Well, my experience here in Norway, they are a little bit better than the girls in homeland, but they got these other annoying traits that you mentioned. For example: attention freak and a ''center of the universe'' attitude. And they still retain that no sex before marriage thing.....

I prefer norwegian girls btw. And some koreans, cause they aren't that backwards like viets.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Guess on October 29, 2015, 03:25:52 PM
that's ok, I don't judge. LOL, some VN kids in America are something else. Many of them came at a very young age or even born here but they still has a VN inflection to their English. They only date other VN and the way they talk you'd think they're new comers.

IDK, what do you think about VN people bringing their entire family into a company? I guess there's nothing wrong with it. People are just looking for ways to improve their lot in life. Can't blame them but it always seem strange.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on October 29, 2015, 03:28:43 PM
Vietnamese in VN want to mimic modern "advanced" cultures because they don't want to be looked down upon;  like pasting on lots of makeup, Kpop style, fish face, shun housework, etc..   They might seem frivolous on the outside because they want to look cool but inside they might still be traditional; like obeying parents, greeting people, speak softly, etc...

Vietnamese in Western countries, those with cultural awareness retain traditional values to foster their uniqueness.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: makeupgeek on October 30, 2015, 09:15:56 PM
@Hazelnut

Well, I'm not saying we're better off, but I think having an old fashion/traditional mindset is something that you should be proud of. It doesn't make you backwards. When your parents want you to end up with a Viet gal for a wife? That's not so bad. You won't have a hard time adjusting to her. Same goes with your families. No language barriers whatsoever. Your kids are authentic Vietnamese as they can be. The more authenticity there is in Vietnamese families, then your country's tradition and culture won't die off.

 -thumbsup -thumbsup -thumbsup




Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on October 30, 2015, 10:09:14 PM
-thumbsup -thumbsup -thumbsup

Wow. makeup is traditional too?  That witch costume seems traditional.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Guess on October 30, 2015, 10:18:35 PM
she looks kinda like sailorneptune in that pic.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Artanis on October 31, 2015, 11:11:34 PM
makeupgeek doesnt even look mongoloid or austronesian. she looks white.

is makeupgeek a white woman ?


 She looks like martina from this video

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Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Olive Juice on November 01, 2015, 05:20:01 PM
The problem goes beyond street vendors. Just take a look at the security guards at the airport. They hassle anyone who don't put some cash in their passport. Greed and corruption is a multifaceted problem in Vietnam.

That is what I feel most disappointing.  It seems the people had taken on personality from the government after years of being oppressed. At this point, I don't know if even a change of government would do much good if greed and corruption is the way of life for Vietnamese in Vietnam.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on November 01, 2015, 08:51:49 PM
Well, there is a corruption fighting task force.  I believe they've announced that they accomplished great achievements.  That's it.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: RedWine on November 01, 2015, 08:53:25 PM
Well, there is a corruption fighting task force.  I believe they've announced that they accomplished great achievements.  That's it.


Maybe the corruption task force was bribed.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on November 01, 2015, 08:54:22 PM

Maybe the corruption task force was bribed.

Maybe that's the great achievement that they've accomplished.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: gaden on November 01, 2015, 09:38:42 PM
makeupgeek doesnt even look mongoloid or austronesian. she looks white.

is makeupgeek a white woman ?

 She looks like martina from this video

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54vfnwhjmiE#)


I believe most Vietnamese born overseas have different look than native Vietnamese.  It's because of dairy products, they drink gallons of milk every week.  So naturally it affects the bone structure.  I believe most overseas Vietnamese tend to look more Western. 

I thought makeupgeek looks like this girl.
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Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: RedWine on November 01, 2015, 10:04:02 PM
I was born in VN. I am a fob.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Believe on November 03, 2015, 12:17:31 AM
Both countries are similar in status economically, but militarily, Viets are much stronger as a people IMO. The Philippines was a colony of Spain for 500 long years, whereas VN has forcibly removed one foreign power after another from its soil by sheer will.

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It takes balls for anyone to put up a siege on a major US base in modern time, lol
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: thientu on November 03, 2015, 01:52:59 AM
this topics is just sooooooooo redundant, there is no point comparing superior true kinh ethnics with this delete for insult

delete for insult

inb4 ironboy came in and started crying, well boohoo to you my friend
#sorrynotsorry :(
 

Warning for insult against other ethnicity.  Next time is a temp ban.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: makeupgeek on November 03, 2015, 10:08:37 AM
 -ninjaman Sometimes I ask myself..am I white, latin or adopted?  Then I look at my family..nope I look  like the rest of family. Im 100% viet. Geezes..

Well...You do know i'm addicted to makeups =))







makeupgeek doesnt even look mongoloid or austronesian. she looks white.

is makeupgeek a white woman ?


 She looks like martina from this video

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54vfnwhjmiE#)
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: 1r0n_m4n_xl on December 12, 2015, 10:23:32 AM
this topics is just sooooooooo redundant, there is no point comparing superior true kinh ethnics with this delete for insult

delete for insult

inb4 ironboy came in and started crying, well boohoo to you my friend
#sorrynotsorry :(
 

Warning for insult against other ethnicity.  Next time is a temp ban.

 -loco2
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: on January 16, 2019, 02:04:43 PM
Pinoys have longer exposure to more civilized Western countries. Christianity as a religion has a lot of uplifting values too but the institution of Christianity is very corrupt.  So Pinoys might be acting nice to get into heaven.  Vietnamese don´t really believe in the afterlife so they don´t even pretend to be nice.  Buddhism also teaches re-incarnation but since the rules are not known Vietnamese strive hard to make the most of this world before turning into dog meat in the next incarnation.  I live a generous life so I know I will be a super sophisticated white Mexican in my next life.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: on March 28, 2020, 10:03:20 PM
according to white guys, Vietnam is more civilized.

https://youtu.be/_2HHXHL5Bjc
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: on October 25, 2020, 12:52:43 AM
Also, I think the main reason for Filipinos´apparent civilization is the fact that they can read English.  This gives them far more information about the world, especially the civilized parts, than other peoples of Asia.  A Vietnamese peasant travelling to the West for the first time would probably prefer to piss by the side of the road than ask for help finding a toilet.  Also, we should not forget that the Philippines was a rich country back in the 1950s.  Vietnam in the 1950s was basically lower than African poor and riddled with war and starvations.  The Philippines is now much poorer than in the past but there are aspects of civilizing behaviors you just can´t lose even when forced into poverty.  Like if I was suddenly forced into poverty, you bet I would brush my teeth each morning and head to Goodwill to get some silverplated flatware to eat my donated foods.
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: Hey dude on October 25, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
^ a poor lottery ticket seller in Vietnam has his own house, no rent or property taxes. He can support up to 3 people. Do Qu has his own house paid off? Can Qu support 3 people?

Or Qu has to work everyday and pay rent?  Barely making it -hmm

Does that mean Qu is poorer than poor Vietnamese.  -hmm
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: 1r0n_m4n_xl on October 26, 2020, 01:39:40 PM
Pinoys have longer exposure to more civilized Western countries. Christianity as a religion has a lot of uplifting values too but the institution of Christianity is very corrupt.  So Pinoys might be acting nice to get into heaven.  Vietnamese don´t really believe in the afterlife so they don´t even pretend to be nice.  Buddhism also teaches re-incarnation but since the rules are not known Vietnamese strive hard to make the most of this world before turning into dog meat in the next incarnation.  I live a generous life so I know I will be a super sophisticated white Mexican in my next life.

I think you mean Catholics and not protestant/evangelical christian.

I am not catholic
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: 1r0n_m4n_xl on October 26, 2020, 01:41:44 PM
Also, I think the main reason for Filipinos´apparent civilization is the fact that they can read English.  This gives them far more information about the world, especially the civilized parts, than other peoples of Asia.  A Vietnamese peasant travelling to the West for the first time would probably prefer to piss by the side of the road than ask for help finding a toilet.  Also, we should not forget that the Philippines was a rich country back in the 1950s.  Vietnam in the 1950s was basically lower than African poor and riddled with war and starvations.  The Philippines is now much poorer than in the past but there are aspects of civilizing behaviors you just can´t lose even when forced into poverty.  Like if I was suddenly forced into poverty, you bet I would brush my teeth each morning and head to Goodwill to get some silverplated flatware to eat my donated foods.

you mean human morals
Title: Re: Vietnamese are more backwards than Pinoy's
Post by: on October 26, 2020, 10:40:26 PM
Yes, both Filipino morals and ethics in the Philippines are higher than the average Vietnamese in Vietnam.  This is due to a Christian foundation of clear rights and wrongs.  It doesn´t mean that most Filipinos practice neighborly goodwill toward other Filipinos but it is a solid foundation for society. Vietnamese Buddhism was more theoretical in outlook than practice. Under communism, the good aspects of Buddhism have been abandoned and replaced with Chinese capitalism.