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Exhibition displays ancient archaeological treasures
« on: May 16, 2019, 05:32:09 AM »
Many Dong Son artifacts are on display in VN..really cool!

Dong Son's style house..


A terracotta house dating back to the 1st-3rd century, which was found in brick tombs in the first centuries. The item was discovered in Cau Giay, Hanoi in 1936.



A bronze jar dating back to the 1st-3rd century found in Phu Xuyen, Ha Tay, which proves the conservation of Dong Son culture till the first centuries.

^ Inscriptions on the jar above is Proto-Sanskrit..different from modern Sanskrit.

Modern Sanskrit looks like this:
 
























Dong Son drums (also called Heger Type I drums) made with lost wax method, are up to a meter in height and weigh up to 100 kg.

 

"The discovery in the late seventeenth century of large, elaborately incised drums in mainland and island Southeast Asia first alerted Western scholars to the existence in the region of distinctive early bronze-working cultures. Ranging in height from a few inches to over six feet, up to four feet in diameter, and often of considerable weight, such drums are the most widely dispersed products of the Dongson culture. Examples produced in Vietnam, in addition to works made locally, have been found in South China, throughout mainland Southeast Asia, and in Sumatra, Java, Bali, and Irian Jaya. The function of these drums, often found in burials, remains unclear: they may have been used in warfare or as part of funerary or other ceremonial rites. According to his biography in the Hou Han Shu (History of the Later Han), Ma Yuan (14 B.C.–49 CE), the Chinese general who subdued a Vietnamese uprising in 40–43 CE, confiscated and destroyed the bronze drums of the local chieftains who were his adversaries, attesting to their political significance. Models of the drums, produced in bronze or clay, were made to be included in burials. This small bronze example has the rounded top, curved middle, and splayed base often found in drums from Vietnam. The central loop and the four small frogs on the tympanum are characteristic features of examples produced from the third century B.C. to the first century CE. The starburst pattern in the center of the tympanum, a standard motif on Dongson drums, is surrounded by a row of linked concentric circles and crosshatching. These designs are repeated around the side of the top section and just above the base. On the center of the drum, four stylized scenes showing warriors with feathered hats, some seated in boats, some on the ground, alternate with hatched areas."


Đông Sơn culture Daggers


Dong Son bronze fishhook


This kneeling bronze gure depicting a pregnant woman is one of the very few Dong Son lamps to have been recovered.




Bronze sword, Dong Son


Incense Burner with Dragon Spout. Vietnam, 1st-3rd c., bronze






Dong Son dragon boat


https://vietnam.vnanet.vn/english/exhibition-displays-ancient-archaeological-treasures/372211.html
http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2015/02/hieroglyphs-on-dong-son-drums-relate-to.html

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Re: Exhibition displays ancient archaeological treasures
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2019, 09:19:25 AM »
I took a picture with this dead guy when I visited the museum.  Someone should do a DNA analysis on him to see if he looks Daitic.


A coffin in an ancient tomb discovered at Chau Can archaeological site in Ha Tay province.
Many brass items, including an axe, spear and mirror, and bamboo, wooden and ceramic items were found in the tomb.

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Re: Exhibition displays ancient archaeological treasures
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2019, 09:37:46 AM »
They were probably heavily mixed with Kinh by the time of the Trung sisters rebellion..

Dong Son were originally seafaring people!


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Re: Exhibition displays ancient archaeological treasures
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2019, 11:17:03 AM »
Like any other ethnic group, we were made up of a bunch of smaller ancient tribes unified to become modern day Viet people.   However, it must be noted that our national identity is shaped mainly through warfare.  There must be a lot of good cocaine back in those times for these Viet barbarians to fight fearlessly against anyone coming over to their turf.  Sure, they ran away a few times but they always pick up where they left off.  China has a long history of erasing the cultural identity of the peoples they conquered.  Vietnam lost a lot of heritage this way but at least we are still around speaking our own language, writing our own script and brewing our own beer. 

Archeological evidence of Vietnam as a nation circa 4000 AD


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Re: Exhibition displays ancient archaeological treasures
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2019, 12:03:43 PM »
VN benefits from its strong Central Asian elements IMO..the 100 or so Baiyue tribes in southern China back then were probably all Central Asian!

Same with Myanmar, that's why the Qing dynasty lost all four invasions of Burma between 1765 and 1769!

The Khmer empire shrank due to lack of it..




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Re: Exhibition displays ancient archaeological treasures
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2019, 10:07:33 AM »
They were probably heavily mixed with Kinh by the time of the Trung sisters rebellion..

Dong Son were originally sea-faring people!


The latest study of ancient Vietnamese do not paint a good picture or representation of the inhabitants of the Red River delta.  The study is of the Nui Nap people which is in the mountainous region of Thanh Hoa, most like minority people.

The tomb discovered at Chau Can archaeological site is actually from Ha Noi.

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Re: Exhibition displays ancient archaeological treasures
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2019, 05:47:41 PM »
I originally thought Dong Son settlers were Egyptians b/c of the boran cattle, but it turns out they were Vikings!

Ship burial is a Viking Practice..

The ship burial is a viking funeral practice traditionally reserved for individuals of high honor. The boat-shaped tomb of Viet Khe is made of wood and brass, 476 cm long, 77 cm wide, 60 cm thick, 39 cm deep. The tomb was discovered at a construction site in Viet Khe, Phu Ninh commune of Thuy Nguyen district, Hai Phong city in 1961. It dates back to the Dong Son culture of 2,500 years ago. It is a kind of coffin made from a tree trunk. The boat grave contains 107 rare items of the Dong Son culture, such as axes, spears, swords, vases, ladles, bronze bells.



Decor on a bronze sword hilt


Dragon boat motif on bronze drum


Ancient Norse ship




Small viking boat on display at Aurlandsfjorden, Norway


Viking Ship Museum in Roskilde


Vietnamese fishing boat

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Re: Exhibition displays ancient archaeological treasures
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2019, 09:29:22 PM »
dude you should stop pandering.  Lots of cultures buried their chieftains with things that were expensive to build or maintain.  The value is set by that society so something that demands many man hours and quantity of raw materials would naturally rise to the top of the value chain.  There is zero Dong Son and Viking connection other than your imagination.  Also, the Viking Age is relatively recent, just a little more than 1000 years ago so they are hardly "ancient" compared to Dong Son culture which is at least 1000 years older than the Viking Age.

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Re: Exhibition displays ancient archaeological treasures
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2019, 04:29:26 AM »
You just have to reach your own conclusion to things like this Qu..

Dong Son culture is well researched, and internet history is also very flexible!

Walk a few miles upstream from the Red river delta back then, and your neighbors would had been the Dian people of Yunnan..























Inscriptions on a Dong Son vessel..




累摟壺容一石名曰萬歲第未十六 (25 liter vessel casted with stars from the Luy Lâu area)

** Stars are important navigating tools for seafarers **

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Như vậy, toàn văn 14 chữ có thể đọc như sau : 累摟壺容一石名曰萬歲第未十六 “Luy Lâu hồ dung nhất thạch danh viết vạn tuế đệ vị thập lục”, nghĩa là : Bình của Luy Lâu, chứa được một thạch, tên gọi là “Vạn Tuế”, là đồ vật thứ 16. Luy Lâu là tên huyện, cũng là nơi thủ phủ của Giao Châu đời Hán, Tô Định, Sĩ Nhiếp đều đã từng ở tại đây. Một thạch đời Đông Hán bằng 25 lít. Cách ghi minh văn này khá phổ biến ở Giao Chỉ và Lĩnh Nam trong thời Nam Việt. Kiểu dáng, hoa văn và nhất là cách trang trí phần tai quai cho thấy chiếc bình này tuy chôn trong mộ gạch thế kỷ 2 sau Công nguyên, nhưng được chế tạo từ trước đó vài ba trăm năm, khoảng thế kỷ 2 trước Công nguyên. Tuy nhiên địa danh Luy Lâu mới chỉ được nhắc đến từ khoảng trước sau Công nguyên, gắn với thứ sử Tô Định và khởi nghĩa Hai Bà Trưng. Vì vậy có hai khả năng xảy ra đối với chiếc bình quý giá này : Thứ nhất, có thể phong cách trang trí và đúc đồng Đông Sơn tồn tại dai dẳng đến những thế kỷ trước sau Công nguyên, hoặc là thứ hai, bình đồng được đúc từ thế kỷ 2 trước Công nguyên nhưng minh văn được khắc vào sau Công nguyên.
http://www.drnguyenviet.com/?id=6&cat=1&cid=90

Vietnamese probably don't look Asian 2000 years ago..


A typical Dong Son warrior


Typical Americans 2000 y/o


Qu not too long ago


Time changes..

 
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