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Annan Zhiyuan - a document compiled by Ming officials during Ming occupation of North Vietnam in 15th century - lists historical figures in/from Vietnam whom Ming officials deem as important people

Source:https://leminhkhai.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/the-important-people-in-the-annan-zhiyuan/

Lý Ông Trọng 李翁仲 (a mythical figure who was supposedly from Red River Delta but then went north to help the Qin Dynasty fight the Xiongnu)

Li Jin/ Lý Tiến 李進

Shi Xie/Sĩ Nhiếp 士燮

Du Huidu/Đỗ Tuệ Độ 杜慧度

Du Hongwen/Đỗ Hoằng Văn 杜弘文

Li Ji/Lý Tắc 李畟

Zhang Shun/Trương Thuận 張順

Zhang Boyi/Trương Bá Nghi 張伯儀

Đỗ Anh Sách 杜英策 (溪洞豪人 local chief of Khê Động/Aboriginal Settlement)

Khương Thần Dực   姜神翊 (愛州人 Aizhou/Ái Châu person)

Khương Công Phụ 姜公輔 (passed the jinshi [presented scholar] exam, also an Aizhou/Ái Châu person)

Khương Công Phục 姜公復 (Aizhou/Ái Châu person)

Ruan Yuanxi/Nguyễn Nguyên Hỉ 阮元喜

Qu Hao/Khúc Hạo 曲灝 (交趾人 Jiaozhi/Giao Chỉ person)

Jiao Gongmu/Kiểu Công Tiện 矯公羡

Ngô Quyền 吳權 (愛州人Aizhou/Ái Châu person)

Đinh Bộ Lĩnh 丁部領 (交州華閭洞人 Giao Châu Hoa Lư Động/Aboriginal Settlement person)

Lê Hoàn 黎桓 (愛州人Aizhou/Ái Châu person)

Lý Công Uẩn 李公蘊 (交州人 Jiaozhou/Giao Châu person)

Trần Thừa 陳承(交州人 Jiaozhou/Giao Châu person)

Trần Toại 陳遂 (famous as a poet)

Trần Di Ái 陳遺愛

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You can already see some historical figures who were born in Vietnam and native folks with sinicized names starting from the 9th - 10th century

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"1000 years of Chinese occupation" is a term for speculated history about pre 10th century Northern Vietnam based upon archaeological findings, DVSKTT and a few Chinese historical records. If China had ruled over Northern Vietnam for more than 1000 years, there should be 1000 years worth of written records about Northern Vietnam. DVSKTT was written in the 15th century based upon Tran dynasty historical records in the 13th century. Chinese historical records that made references about what was geographically Northern Vietnam were written in 4-5th century and contain little information about Northern Vietnam. You can see what was happening in Northern Vietnam during 20 years of Ming occupation from Chinese historical records but for a supposed millennium of Chinese rule, you dont know much about what was happening in Northern Vietnam. Im not saying that all written records should be able to be fully preserved after thousands of years due to destruction of wars but there should be an abbundance of written records about Northern Vietnam if China had ruled over Northern Vietnam for a millennium. Just imagine how much contents of a millennium worth of written records would be.

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"1000 years of Chinese occupation" is a term for speculated history about pre 10th century Northern Vietnam based upon archaeological findings, DVSKTT and a few Chinese historical records. If China had ruled over Northern Vietnam for more than 1000 years, there should be 1000 years worth of written records about Northern Vietnam. DVSKTT was written in the 15th century based upon Tran dynasty historical records in the 13th century. Chinese historical records that made references about what was geographically Northern Vietnam were written in 4-5th century and contain little information about Northern Vietnam. You can see what was happening in Northern Vietnam during 20 years of Ming occupation from Chinese historical records but for a supposed millennium of Chinese rule, you dont know much about what was happening in Northern Vietnam. Im not saying that all written records should be able to be fully preserved after thousands of years due to destruction of wars but there should be an abbundance of written records about Northern Vietnam if China had ruled over Northern Vietnam for a millennium. Just imagine how much contents of a millennium worth of written records would be.

Maybe it was benevolent neglect? Or that they were only vassalising Vietnam?
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