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Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« on: July 06, 2019, 10:40:19 AM »
https://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml

I have no idea China has so many good players at the top end. However, next on the list is Vietnam, but all the way down rank 40.  The other Asian countries don´t even seem to care for this high IQ game.  Philippines kick Singaporean, Korean and Japanese ass lol.


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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2019, 10:22:28 AM »
i havent played chess/monopoly since i was 12 year old..

i play a new game called wall street now.
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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2019, 02:28:20 PM »
He lost to a Chinese girl in chess and since he's been fetishizing lighter skinned more gracile and neotenic looking as well as smarter east Asian girls.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2019, 03:55:52 AM »
He lost to a Chinese girl in chess and since he's been fetishizing lighter skinned more gracile and neotenic looking as well as smarter east Asian girls.
Idiot we have more Chess Grandmasters per capital than China. Also, the world's first Asian Chess Grandmaster isn't even Chinese he's Filipino.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2019, 08:00:06 AM »
Idiot we have more Chess Grandmasters per capital than China. Also, the world's first Asian Chess Grandmaster isn't even Chinese he's Filipino.

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They have more fetishizers of Chinese and lighter skinned women in general per capita than anywhere else.  The world's first Asian fetishist was Filipino.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2019, 01:39:29 PM »
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/gm-s-per-capita-worldwide-1-iceland2

FIDE offers us a chart of top chess countries in terms of average rating of the top 10 players and number of titled players. Therefore, the larger the country, the higher its chess ability seems to be. A better metric to measure the chess ability of a country is to look at which nations have the largest number of Grandmasters per capita.  A good analogy is to gloss over GDP of a country and focus on its GDP per capita.  China and India should be at the top simply due to a huge aggregate population but even that is not guaranteed.

From the above chart, Chinese are actually quite bad at chess compared to Vietnam since China has lower grandmasters per capita than Vietnam.  China´s huge population pushes up the manpower for brainy geniuses at the top but when we look at China as a whole the panorama is quite unimpressive.  The only logical conclusion that I can make is that Chinese are dumb as hell that´s why they lost fighting nomads for centuries.  And this reflects in their chess IQ per capita.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2019, 06:46:00 PM »
They have more fetishizers of Chinese and lighter skinned women in general per capita than anywhere else.  The world's first Asian fetishist was Filipino.
Puhlease, nobody is interested in your commoner looks.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2019, 06:50:28 PM »
He lost to a Chinese girl in chess and since he's been fetishizing lighter skinned more gracile and neotenic looking as well as smarter east Asian girls.

I like boxing.. because I can knock out all your teeth out in one punch..


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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2019, 06:50:52 PM »
Puhlease, nobody is interested in your commoner looks.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2019, 11:07:19 PM »
he´s scared of your bro that´s why he´s here like an unwanted cokeewroach-

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2019, 11:27:36 PM »
he´s scared of your bro that´s why he´s here like an unwanted cokeeeeewroach-

I'm scared of people who worships Chinese....pffft

And I'm so scared that I decided to stay on, like that makes total sense...

When you butt buddies stand before me, one killer look from my eyes will give the Sharingan effect, then we'll be seeing who scurries away like a cokeeeroach.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2019, 04:38:57 AM »
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/gm-s-per-capita-worldwide-1-iceland2

FIDE offers us a chart of top chess countries in terms of average rating of the top 10 players and number of titled players. Therefore, the larger the country, the higher its chess ability seems to be. A better metric to measure the chess ability of a country is to look at which nations have the largest number of Grandmasters per capita.  A good analogy is to gloss over GDP of a country and focus on its GDP per capita.  China and India should be at the top simply due to a huge aggregate population but even that is not guaranteed.

From the above chart, Chinese are actually quite bad at chess compared to Vietnam since China has lower grandmasters per capita than Vietnam.  China´s huge population pushes up the manpower for brainy geniuses at the top but when we look at China as a whole the panorama is quite unimpressive.  The only logical conclusion that I can make is that Chinese are dumb as hell that´s why they lost fighting nomads for centuries.  And this reflects in their chess IQ per capita.
China is so dumb in Chess, they are even rated lower than India which has similar population level to them and India is actually poorer than China. I pity the Chinese.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2019, 06:13:07 AM »
Why are Filipinos' logic so incredibly dumb.  Why are they so dumb at logic and try to defend their stupidity at every turn?  Even the Negritos they swindled have to end up pitying them because they are so dumb.  Dumb like the orange savages they are.  -shrug

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2019, 01:30:57 AM »
Why are Filipinos' logic so incredibly dumb.  Why are they so dumb at logic and try to defend their stupidity at every turn?  Even the Negritos they swindled have to end up pitying them because they are so dumb.  Dumb like the orange savages they are.  -shrug
You have no solid proof behind your assertion whereas China's lower rank than India in Chess Masters per capita is very measurable and quanifiable. I'm sorry if you feel insecure that Iceland, Vietnam or the Philippines or even India outrank you Chess performance.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2019, 04:04:23 AM »
You have no solid proof behind your assertion whereas China's lower rank than India in Chess Masters per capita is very measurable and quanifiable. I'm sorry if you feel insecure that Iceland, Vietnam or the Philippines or even India outrank you Chess performance.

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There you go again with your argumentum ad absurdum 24/7

Here's quantifiable proof.  The average IQ of filipinos: 86 for a nation rich in gold.  All that gold and they don't even know what to do with it lol

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2019, 04:27:26 AM »
There you go again with your argumentum ad absurdum 24/7

Here's quantifiable proof.  The average IQ of filipinos: 86 for a nation rich in gold.  All that gold and they don't even know what to do with it lol
That's outdated info from the 1990s current IQ scores from Richard Lynn computes that Filipino average IQ is 92.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241235-New-survey-of-the-Median-IQ-of-Southeast-Asian-countries

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Also we don't mine our gold yet. Gold under the Earth is different to gold in hand.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2019, 04:40:26 AM »
That's outdated info from the 1990s current IQ scores from Richard Lynn computes that Filipino average IQ is 92.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241235-New-survey-of-the-Median-IQ-of-Southeast-Asian-countries

http://%22https//drive.google.com/file/d/0B3c4TxciNeJZNUVaZ0VhZ3dUMkk/view%22


Also we don't mine our gold yet. Gold under the Earth is different to gold in hand.

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I got the score from Filipinos displaying the score proudly in forums.
www.city-data.com/forum/asia/1774195-could-these-people-blend-southern-china-25.html

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2019, 05:04:11 AM »
I got the score from Filipinos displaying the score proudly in forums.
www.city-data.com/forum/asia/1774195-could-these-people-blend-southern-china-25.html
That's the outdated IQ score from the 1990s, Lynn himself updated the Philippines' IQ to 92 in the 2000s.

Please keep up to date, thank you.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2019, 07:58:15 AM »
That's the outdated IQ score from the 1990s, Lynn himself updated the Philippines' IQ to 92 in the 2000s.

Please keep up to date, thank you.

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I'm not inclined to use info if it was outdated.  The score of 86 shows up whenever I search for it.  I don't even see 92 pop up except for on your link.  All the sites have been suggesting a post 2000 date for the score.

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Re: Why Pacific Asians so bad at chess?
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2019, 11:49:43 PM »
Too time consuming to be fun!

Game can drag on for 2 hours in a professional match.

Can't be cracked with brute force as the total number of possible unique games is 10^123..more than the total atoms in observable universe (10^80).

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Shannon showed a calculation for the lower bound of the game-tree complexity of chess, resulting in about 10120 possible games, to demonstrate the impracticality of solving chess by brute force, in his 1950 paper "Programming a Computer for Playing Chess".[1] (This influential paper introduced the field of computer chess.)

Shannon also estimated the number of possible positions, "of the general order of 64 ! 32 ! 8 ! 2 2 ! 6 {\displaystyle \scriptstyle {\frac {64!}{32!{8!}^{2}{2!}^{6}}}} \scriptstyle {\frac {64!}{32!{8!}^{2}{2!}^{6}}}, or roughly 1043". This includes some illegal positions (e.g., pawns on the first rank, both kings in check) and excludes legal positions following captures and promotions. Taking these into account, Victor Allis calculated an upper bound of 5×1052 for the number of positions, and estimated the true number to be about 1050.[2] Recent results[3] improve that estimate, by proving an upper bound of only 2155, which is less than 1046.7 and showing[4] an upper bound 2×1040 in the absence of promotions.

Allis also estimated the game-tree complexity to be at least 10^123, "based on an average branching factor of 35 and an average game length of 80". As a comparison, the number of atoms in the observable universe, to which it is often compared, is roughly estimated to be 1080.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number
 

The number of possible games after just 5 moves from each opponent = 69,352,859,712,417

It would take a 5GHz CPU at 5 clock cycles/instruction 20 hours or more to do a test run at this point!

69,352,859,712,417 / (5,000,000,000 / 5) = 70,000 sec
(70,000 sec / 60) / 60 = 20 hours

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10^123 unique games test run would require approx 2.8 x 10^110 hours or 3.2 x 10^106 years of calculation time  to determine the next best step (from a 5GHz CPU).

3.2 x 10^106 years is more time than the universe is old, so Claude Shannon said the winning strategy in chess can't be solved with brute force computing. Deep Blue ran on optimal probability because there's no way to go through all options.

Hans Camenzind, who created the 555 timer IC, dedicated his invention to Claude Shannon!



 
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