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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2019, 05:22:55 AM »
They uncovered O1 everywhere.  Like I said you can't just read about genetics with a child's mentality.  Genetic studies isn't for you to read about and get off on.  It's supposed to show a complex historical picture of what happened.
If you read the paper that's precisely what they just said. The scientists said that there were two paths of migration in China, inside the continent which is where mainland Chinese come from and the Coastal slash Maritime route where Austronesians come from, and that, China's ancestors actually came from Southeast Asia and they just back migrated during the era of Liangzhu.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2019, 05:41:06 AM »
If you read the paper that's precisely what they just said. The scientists said that there were two paths of migration in China, inside the continent which is where mainland Chinese come from and the Coastal slash Maritime route where Austronesians come from, and that, China's ancestors actually came from Southeast Asia and they just back migrated during the era of Liangzhu.

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My bad all this time I thought you wanted to say that Filipinos came out of Liangzhu but instead what you wanted to say was Filipinos and others like the Vietnamese became Chinese and then during the age of Liangzhu the Chinese back migrated into the southeast Asian areas to make everyone Chinese.  Is that a fair characterization of what you meant to say?

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2019, 05:48:40 AM »


My bad all this time I thought you wanted to say that Filipinos came out of Liangzhu but instead what you wanted to say was Filipinos and others like the Vietnamese became Chinese and then during the age of Liangzhu the Chinese back migrated into the southeast Asian areas to make everyone Chinese.  Is that a fair characterization of what you meant to say?

Filipinos and Vietnamese are unique as well as Chinese, people migrate all the time. It's what people self identity with which should be the benchmark of personal affiliation.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2019, 06:01:06 AM »

Filipinos and Vietnamese are unique as well as Chinese, people migrate all the time. It's what people self identity with which should be the benchmark of personal affiliation.

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The predicable 180 degree turn by the Chinese wannabe.  First says that Liangzhu are Filipino domain and then Filipino are Chinese domain and finally everybody's territory is everybody else's domain.  What a sneaky bastard I wouldn't trust this beech in real life.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2019, 06:10:57 AM »
The predicable 180 degree turn by the Chinese wannabe.  First says that Liangzhu are Filipino domain and then Filipino are Chinese domain and finally everybody's territory is everybody else's domain.  What a sneaky bastard I wouldn't trust this beech in real life.
Look who's talking, you been way more sneaky than me. Hating on America then living in it an leeching on that country. At least, I am living in a country I love without having the dishonor of leeching off a country I openly hate.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2019, 06:16:04 AM »
Look who's talking, you been way more sneaky than me. Hating on America then living in it an leeching on that country. At least, I am living in a country I love without having the dishonor of leeching off a country I openly hate.

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Hating on America?  Huh?  I love America.  I think your delusions are working up again.

Mod Edit: Implying that others are delusional when many people already saw your anti West, anti European and anti American comments is counterproductive. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

Do some quoting Selurong.  Don't just throw baseless accusations around.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2019, 10:04:35 AM »
I mean if Vietnamese can't claim South China as our ancestral homeland then where did we come from 2000 years ago? Man Bac are not related to majority of modern Vietnamese. Just because Chinese conquered Taiwan doesn't make ancient artifacts in Taiwan belong to Chinese.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2019, 05:51:51 PM »
I mean if Vietnamese can't claim South China as our ancestral homeland then where did we come from 2000 years ago? Man Bac are not related to majority of modern Vietnamese. Just because Chinese conquered Taiwan doesn't make ancient artifacts in Taiwan belong to Chinese.

Here we go again, Vietnamese are Chinese and pigs might fly.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2019, 09:55:34 PM »
Here we go again, Vietnamese are Chinese and pigs might fly.
Most Chinese are R9F and M7 dominant? Just because China conquered Vietnamese related people doesn't mean these conquered folks are now genetically Chinese. Its illogical trolling if you keep disregarding genetic researches just to provoke my replies.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2019, 11:12:27 PM »
Most Chinese are R9F and M7 dominant? Just because China conquered Vietnamese related people doesn't mean these conquered folks are now genetically Chinese. Its illogical trolling if you keep disregarding genetic researches just to provoke my replies.

I don't even know what those are lol.  I've looked up a table and that just shows it's some ancestral marker related to Asians.  And it's not illogical trolling.  It's called rightful ignoring.  It's irrelevant because the Chinese don't even look at the haplogroups to determine ancestry.  There's something called the Jiapu, which pigs feign ignorance of because they might fly.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2019, 12:03:20 AM »
It's irrelevant because the Chinese don't even look at the haplogroups to determine ancestry.  There's something called the Jiapu, which pigs feign ignorance of because they might fly.
So is your ancestry determined by ignorance of genetic researches? Don't you understand the word "genetics"? You don't even understand which population have dominant R9F markers. I remember you having said that Manchus have more R9F than Thais.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2019, 02:56:29 AM »
So is your ancestry determined by ignorance of genetic researches? Don't you understand the word "genetics"? You don't even understand which population have dominant R9F markers. I remember you having said that Manchus have more R9F than Thais.

Do you know what bottlenecking means?  Do you know what ancient prehistorical migration routes means?  Do you know what founder populations means?  Are you ignorant of everything else genetics entails as a subject so that you can pretend genetics is your area of expertise with a few measely genetic markers?

Chinese don't use genetic markers to determine their ancestry you moron.  Genetic research into markers didn't even exist until recent times.

If genetic research didn't exist would you then not have an ancestry?  Is it determined by the myths your grandfather spoke to you of when you were a little boy about Hung Kings originating from China?

Yes R9F is widespread across the populations in Asia.  Just type into wikipedia R9F so you wouldn't have to pretend like you are "in the know" and actually get to be "in the know".


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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2019, 04:47:22 AM »
Albert Einstein said don't listen to Chinese pseudoscience.  Who am I to refuse the wisdom of this awesome Jew?

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2019, 05:12:46 AM »
It's not pseudoscience, it all spelled out right here!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_F_(mtDNA)

Vietnamese are afraid of Thai admixture or something given that everyone here keeps repeating R9F is Thai admixture and here in the charts they have more of it than Thailand!  Thailand should be afraid of Vietnam if you want to look at it that way.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2019, 06:07:05 AM »
Vietnamese are afraid of Thai admixture or something given that everyone here keeps repeating R9F is Thai admixture and here in the charts they have more of it than Thailand!  Thailand should be afraid of Vietnam if you want to look at it that way.
you really don't understand, do you? Viets are M dominant. R9F is dominant among South China ethnics, Hoa, Thais, Karen ethnic. That study about R9F distribution among Vietnamese is from 2009. R9F is not Thai exclusive. From latest genetic studies, R9F is more dominant in Thailand than in VN.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2019, 06:15:44 AM »
you really don't understand, do you? Viets are M dominant. R9F is dominant among South China ethnics, Hoa, Thais, Karen ethnic. That study about R9F distribution among Vietnamese is from 2009. From latest genetic studies, R9F is not Thai exclusive but R9F is more dominant in Thailand than in VN.

No it's not look at the figures published.  Thailand is less than a quarter and Vietnam is more than a quarter.  Do you know quarter? 0.25 Twenty-five hundredths?

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2019, 06:17:15 AM »
No it's not look at the figures published.  Thailand is less than a quarter and Vietnam is more than a quarter.  Do you know quarter? 0.25 Twenty-five hundredths?
R9F light blue

Thats in Ha Noi - where R9F is most dominant. Central, South VN R9F are less dominant


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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2019, 06:32:33 AM »
Clearly the migration path took the R9F markered individuals out of some place in Vietnam before it entered into China and elsewhere.  It's obviously not going to be associated more with Thailand if the pressure exerting on the people in Thailand having those markers were forced to go into Vietnam and afterwards into China all the way into Manchuria.

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Re: Why Filipinos want Liangzhu culture
« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2019, 06:35:05 AM »
Don't look at me look at the dam figures already
2009 vs 2018.

In Burma

Bamar lowlands M dominant
Karen highlands R9F dominant

Clearly R9F is from northern area

Vietnamese are not the source for R9F

 
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